<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 31 août 2022 à 23:31, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div><br><div dir="auto">so for pipeline marker it would be marker=pipeline, right?<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">if not, how can I mark it as pipeline marker?<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>We are currently discussing the proposal to use subject=pipeline for that.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto"></div><div dir="auto"></div><div dir="auto">I would not have enough knowledge for that.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>So don't add utility=* at all, it's not a problem.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto"></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">Maybe better to stop deprecation of pipeline=marker <br></div><div dir="auto">(and use marker=yes if someone maps marker without being aware of its<br></div><div dir="auto">meaning)<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>And then restore power=marker, telecom=marker, utility=marker?<br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">not sure, but I see no benefit of <br></div><div dir="auto">marker=yes utility=power<br></div><div dir="auto">over <br></div><div dir="auto">marker=power or power=marker<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>marker=* is already used to describe the shape of the marker, independently of whatever else.</div><div><br></div><div>The benefit is to separate independent concepts, as explained in the 2019 proposal rationale</div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?oldid=2261391#Proposal">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?oldid=2261391#Proposal</a></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto"></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>It will be painful to define and then process as many values as marker's use cases, instead of subject=* values<br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">why? *=marker is worse than subject=*<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>*=marker is worse since it's barely queryable<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto"></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div dir="auto">additionally to make mappers choose among technical options they're not forced to master to map markers.<br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">marker=yes would remain available<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>marker=* describes the marker's shape, not its involvement in any activity or subject.</div><div><br></div><div>marker=yes would mean you weren't able to match its shape with available values.<br></div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 31 août 2022 à 23:33, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div><br></div><div dir="auto">And "pipeline is a marker" seems to be a clear nonsense, so there is no risk of a<br></div><div dir="auto">confusion.<br></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>The marker is not part of the pipeline not imply any change in its path or shape.</div><div><br></div><div>The same issue is found on waterway=fuel, highway=milestone or any related feature we intend to group inside the same key.<br></div><div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto"></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div>Of
course you can define it to mean that it is a marker for a pipeline,
but then you could define any group of words to mean anything you like.
Would it not be better to define words to mean something that fits with
their use in everyday language?<br></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">pipeline=marker meaning "pipeline marker" seems to not be really confusing<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">and definitely more clear from alternative where after several email, reading wiki,<br></div><div dir="auto">reading proposal I still have no idea how to mark pipeline marker in case where<br></div><div dir="auto">I am not sure about its contents.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If there is way to achieve this, please let me know (I see marker=pipeline on taginfo,<br></div><div dir="auto">but still see no point in migrating 32k+ of <br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/pipeline=marker" target="_blank">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/pipeline=marker</a> to it)</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Again, we're currently discussing of subject=pipeline to solve this question.</div><div><br></div><div>marker=pipeline is awkward regarding marker=* : I didn't seen any marker with a pipeline shape yet.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br></div><div>François<br></div></div></div></div>