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<body style="overflow-wrap:break-word; word-break: break-word;"><div class="mail_android_message" style="line-height: 1; padding: 0.5em">I would prefer to follow the pattern of bicycle parking where they is the main tag, and the classification follows in a sub tag.<br/>amenity=animal_hitch<br/>animal_hitch=ring/post (which can still have a ring)/ rail<br/>I don't know if diameter for the ring would be useful as a way to determine sturdiness.<br/>I saw massive ring on what I believe to be a mausoleum today, but maybe that's just for opening it, I was a bit confused about that. I'm pretty sure horses aren't allowed in graveyards, as they might desecrate it.<br/><br/>Anne<br/><br/>--<br/>Sent from my Android phone with <a href="http://WEB.DE">WEB.DE</a> Mail. Please excuse my brevity.</div><div class="mail_android_quote" style="line-height: 1; padding: 0.3em"><html><body>On 31/08/2022, 16:53 Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com> wrote:</body></html><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0.8ex 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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I agree, I also noticed this problem. As far as I know there is no such object as an “animal hitch” or a “horse hitch”.
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A trailer hitch is a solid knob attached to the rear end of a motor vehicle.
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Otherwise a hitch is a type of knot in a rope.
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I would use “hitching_post” for actual posts or poles which are designed for tying up a horse.
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Horses are much larger and stronger than small pet animals and require a very sturdy structure.
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There are also little rings attached to curbs (kerbs) in my city. Though I have never seen them used for tying up horses, that was the original intended use 100 years ago.
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I would recommend using a totally different tag for the small rings. They seem to usually be called “hitching rings” or “hitch rings”, rarely “horse rings”
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<span>A hitching post serves as a small barrier like a barrier=bollard but a ring does not. </span>
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We use different tags for barrier=rope and barrier=chain. There is no limitation on making new tags for different things
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On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 12:43 AM Alan Mackie <<a href="mailto:aamackie@gmail.com">aamackie@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2022, 07:33 Minh Nguyen, <<a href="mailto:minh@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us">minh@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us</a>> wrote:
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Vào lúc 00:00 2022-08-29, Warin đã viết:
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<br> > On 29/8/22 09:22, Anne- Karoline Distel wrote:
<br> >> Then we should probably scratch all reference to horses and just
<br> >> mention all the included animals on the wiki page.
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<br> >> Would amenity=hitching do the trick with sub-categories hitching=post,
<br> >> hitching=ring or something like that?
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<br> > Hitching is also used for hitch hiking - where a person stands beside a
<br> > road trying to obtain a lift.
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<br> Yes, in fact, amenity=hitching probably could be mistaken for the
<br> customary location of a slug line [1] or similar.
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<br> > amenity=animal_hitch would clear that up..
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<br> The word "hitch" does occur in "hitchhiking" and "hitching a ride", but
<br> a hitch has nothing to do with either. "Hitch" actually means the
<br> fastener used to mount a trailer or, alternatively, a horse-and-buggy
<br> combination. So taken literally, animal=animal_hitch would be sort of
<br> like tagging a bike rack as amenity=bicycle_lock or a truck parking as
<br> amenity=hgv_articulated. Maybe I'm overthinking it though. :-D
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I thought these were all called hitches because that's the term for a type of knot that attaches a rope to a solid object like a pole. I have no coherent theory for hitching a ride though.
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<br> I appreciate animal_hitch being more idiomatic than horse_parking, but
<br> out of curiosity, what's the reason we're avoiding the term "hitching
<br> post" in favor of a third tag, currently unused? Would it be OK to call
<br> an editor preset "hitching post" in English, regardless of the
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If we're only sticking to terms we've used before for "places to leave a thing that you travelled on" then it might be better to call it mooring like we do with piers. After all they're both using ropes most of the time. (No it don't think this is a good idea.)
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More seriously I think there is a reluctance to call something a post when in some cases it's actually a ring on the side of a building or a rack or similar. Its a bit of a troll tag to say that the thing is a post and then override that with a subtag saying 'not really'. There's no reason why an editor couldn't have a preset for each variant if they want. I think they can all add multiple tags by default in the major editors.
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Bit of a random tangent: Are bike racks generally strong enough to attach a horse to? i.e. if you were out riding would they be a useful thing to show on your horse-nav app?
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For context, I'm mostly interested in hitching posts because of mapping
<br> in Amish Country, where some businesses have hitching posts for horses
<br> alongside car parking. But I've also come across hitching posts used for
<br> tourist carriages in New Orleans, maybe similar to the rings you
<br> mentioned that have historical value. It's neat to see that there are
<br> parallels all over for a feature that hadn't received much attention in
<br> OSM before.
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<br> Incidentally, there's also tourism=trail_riding_rest, which is
<br> documented as an area that would feature hitching posts in a rural
<br> recreational context. [2] I have no idea if there's a better term for those.
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<br> [1] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slugging">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slugging</a>
<br> [2] <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dtrail_riding_rest">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dtrail_riding_rest</a>
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