<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 6:02 AM Greg Troxel <<a href="mailto:gdt@lexort.com">gdt@lexort.com</a>> wrote</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">There's a difference between "an ordinary mapper could not<br>
possibly figure this out" and "an ordinary mapper who really cared about<br>
this point could not only look but interact with locals to understand<br>
and learn how to look".</blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>Indeed. We don't want to fall into arguments about whether there's actually a sign in the field somewhere identifying Graham Mountain <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/357598523">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/357598523</a> (as far as I know, there isn't). before we can assign it a name. We don't want to have arguments about whether The Ramp <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1086315368">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1086315368</a> is "visible enough" in the field as an unofficial trail (it is, if you know what to look for - there are a lot of crampon scratches in the rock). Wilderness areas aren't great about signage. </div><div><br></div><div>I don't want to argue about whether the ghost town of Forts Ferry <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7576529641">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7576529641</a> "exists" as a location. I've walked around in there and observed indications that it was once inhabited. Its name is remembered in <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/5585644">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/5585644</a>. There's no sign at the June Cemetery <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1004177070">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1004177070</a>, no fence around it, and the trees have grown tall among the tumbled, cracked and mostly illegible headstones, but I keep the feature out of respect for those who lie there.</div><div><br></div><div>Barring obvious vandalism, I'm willing to assume the good will of my fellow mappers, not to map things that aren't there.</div><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin</div></div>