<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 15, 2022, at 6:19 AM, Janko Mihelić <<a href="mailto:janjko@gmail.com" class="">janjko@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">čet, 15. ruj 2022. u 14:52 Peter Elderson <<a href="mailto:pelderson@gmail.com" class="">pelderson@gmail.com</a>> napisao je:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Which combination(s) of highway values, sac scale values and hazard values would exclusively represent a scramble (Dutch verb: klauteren, i.e. going up or down there using hands and feet) to a grown-up, non-challenged, average hiker without climbing skills and without special gear other then a cane, hiking shoes and gloves?<br class=""></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Any of the three combinations:<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">highway=path + sac_scale=alpine_hiking</div><div class="">
highway=path + sac_scale=demanding_alpine_hiking <br class=""></div><div class="">
highway=path + sac_scale=difficult_alpine_hiking <br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div>And probably highway=footway with those same sac_scale values.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>You might also want to consider trail_visibility values of “bad”, “horrible”, and “no”.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Interpreting OSM tags to decide if a way is a hiking trail is a hot mess. In my hiking map rendering I look at over a dozen tags, individually and in combination, to decide if a way is a hiking trail or not. Obviously this is not ideal and we should consider a better way of dealing with this.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Even though I think improvements in hiking trail tagging are good to be considered, this highway=scramble strikes me as being a first cut at best and its entire purpose is to remove some specific items from the rendering as displayed at <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/" class="">https://www.openstreetmap.org/</a> In other words, its intent is “tagging for the renderer” which is against the general philosophy of tagging in OSM.</div><br class=""><div class="">Tod</div><div class="">OSM editing ID: n76</div></body></html>