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<div>> should be deprecated<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If I would design it from scratch it would be likely a separate tag or there would be<br></div><div dir="auto">surface=concrete concrete=transverse_joints concrete=plates and so on<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But it may be too late for that.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Personally, I'm 90% sure concrete:plates is being used wrong and should be deprecated. <br></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">Are you sure? Given for example<br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/85524/concrete-vs-concreteplates/85525">https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/85524/concrete-vs-concreteplates/85525</a><br></div><div dir="auto">90% claims seems highly dubious.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Can you give specific photo examples of places where concrete:plates is used incorrectly<br></div><div dir="auto">in your opinion? Or likely to be used incorrectly<br></div><div><br></div><div dir="auto">You linked for example <br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://roadsandbridges.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/Photo%201%20-%20Precast%20deck%20panels%20in%20place.JPG">https://roadsandbridges.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/Photo%201%20-%20Precast%20deck%20panels%20in%20place.JPG</a><br></div><div dir="auto">in OSM Help site, but that is a construction element which will be likely covered<br></div><div dir="auto">by asphalt.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="auto">What's the goal of differentiating concrete vs concrete:plates anyway?<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">To detect/mark places where you will be very likely hit with<br></div><div dir="auto">"thump thump" when driving on them.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Obnoxious especially to cyclist.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">smoothness can sort of tag this, but it is kind of special problem.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Personally, I'm 90% sure concrete:plates is being used wrong<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">In which way it is wrong? Do you think that vast majority is used where <br></div><div dir="auto">there are no plates?<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="auto">Another way this camp has described `concrete:plates` is "clearly see the plates and the regular gaps". I believe this leads one to believe, incorrectly, that a transverse joint in a road makes the concrete:panel.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=surface%3Dconcrete%3Apanel">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=surface%3Dconcrete%3Apanel</a> - this <br></div><div dir="auto">seems unused<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If you meant concrete:plates - on which you base that it is a widespread misconception?<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div><ul><li>Those that read the wiki which describes that plates are "Heavy-duty plates chained closely together" that should be "pre-fabricated", with concrete:plates only being used when "you know how the concrete is laid out". That is to say that concrete:plate is in reference to "Precast Concrete Deck Panels" which is a more search-friendly term. This camp does not believe a "concrete:panel" is concrete poured on site with a transverse joint.<br></li></ul></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">From looking at <br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=Precast+Concrete+Deck+Panels&iax=images&ia=images">https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=Precast+Concrete+Deck+Panels&iax=images&ia=images</a><br></div><div dir="auto">it seems that "Precast Concrete Deck Panels" is a structural element of bridge - not<br></div><div dir="auto">surface exposed to cars. So it is not really relevant (unless I am wrong?)<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Note _most_ concrete roads built professionally are going to be built with "transverse joints" the question here is whether or not concrete with "transverse joints" "concrete:plate". I'm going to suppose the answer is no.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">I also think so.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="auto"> If it's not, and we can't really differentiate between a "pre-fabricated plate" and a concrete poured on site with a transverse joint<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">In many cases you can be sure that it is concrete:plates due to significant gaps, plate<br></div><div dir="auto">handling elements being exposed.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And most commonly: each plate being level on its piece but not matching other plates.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">, it seems the best course action is to simplify and deprecate concrete:plate, offering just "concrete". Note if you want to see even bigger joints that can be poured into concrete and result in mistagging, check out an "expansion joint" on google.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">I do not see any dubious images.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><br></div><div>I'm not an expert on concrete. But I don't think the wiki on concrete:plates is useful<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">That can be a reason to improve wiki page rather than deprecate widely used and <br></div><div dir="auto">useful tag.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This topic is inspired by<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/85524/concrete-vs-concrete-plates" target="_blank">https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/85524/concrete-vs-concrete-plates</a><br></div><div><a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/4344" target="_blank">https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/4344</a><br></div></div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div> </body>
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