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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Norwegian addresses do not use city or
town as a term.<br>
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Cities and towns are historical terminology in common usage when
referring to large and small settlements, and they used to carry
official designation and significance (mostly related to trading
rights), but they are not used officially today. The
administrative entities are municipalities, which may encompass
several cities or towns, and cities and towns may span several
municipalities.<br>
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A municipal ("street") address is required to be unique within the
municipality, so any wider use of the address must include the
municipality.<br>
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Postal addresses use postal codes and postal areas, which do not
correspond to neither municipal boundaries nor
city/town/settlement boundaries.<br>
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To make the distinction (overly) simple: You cannot visit a postal
address, and you cannot mail a municipal address.<br>
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Some quick examples:<br>
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Kong Haralds gate in Stavanger municipality has postal area
Hafrsfjord and postal code 4044. The complete municipal address
for property number 1 is Kong Haralds gate 1, Stavanger. The
complete postal address is Kong Haralds gate 1, 4044 Hafrsfjord.<br>
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Olav Vs gate in Stavanger municipality has postal area Stavanger
and postal code 4005. The complete municipal address for property
number 1 is Olav Vs gate 1, Stavanger, and the complete postal
address is Olav Vs gate 1, 4005 Stavanger.<br>
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The wiki states that addr:city is the postal city, which may or
may not be equivalent to the city the address is in, or to any
city at all. In that sense, the postal city is the same as the
postal area. Calling this key "city" is slightly confusing,
because it mixes the two types of addresses, while not being
technically correct for either of them.<br>
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addr:town simply adds to the confusion.<br>
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If the purpose is to capture postal addresses, wouldn't "postal
area" or something similar be a better term than both "city" and
"town"?<br>
<br>
Jens<br>
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On 25.09.2022 12:02, Timeo Gut wrote:<br>
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As for the Philippines addr:town essentially always contains the
name of the major location in an address. <br>
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The bulk of these occurences were added in a manual import of
40.000+ public schools where addr:town tag was assigned over
addr:city for all schools that are located in municipalities
(mapped as place=town in OSM) and not cities. Additionally large
batches of these addr tags were introduced through mass-edits
adding many hundreds to thousands in single changesets. Only a
minor fraction was added by mappers on individual basis, most
likely inspired by pre-existing tags from above mentioned import.
Double tagging is a minor issue with only 280 instances with
identical value in addr:city and addr:town.<br>
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I'm curious to hear about the origin of addr:town usage in the
other mentioned countries. <br>
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- Timmy_Tesseract<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2022-09-25 15:36, Andrew Hain
wrote:<br>
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sans-serif"> Clearly mappers in Bosnia, South Korea,
Australia and particularly the Philippines should be asked
about this. I am also concerned that the current description
(“The town of the object that forms part of the address”)
encourages using the tag instead of addr:city.<o:p> </o:p></p>
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face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b>
Martin Koppenhoefer <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><dieterdreist@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 24 September 2022 16:07<br>
<b>To:</b> Tag discussion, strategy and related tools <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><tagging@openstreetmap.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tagging] addr:town</font>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">Am Sa., 24. Sept. 2022
um 13:38 Uhr schrieb Andrew Hain <<a
href="mailto:andrewhainosm@hotmail.co.uk"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">andrewhainosm@hotmail.co.uk</a>>:<br>
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style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;
font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> The key
addr:town is currently documented as de facto [<a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Item:Q1070"
id="x_m_-6977077854198183516LPlnkOWALinkPreview_1"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Item:Q1070</a>][<a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr:town"
id="x_m_-6977077854198183516LPlnk571412"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr:town</a>].
However investigations in the UK have found it to
generally be a mistake for addr:city or
addr:suburb[<a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Addresses_in_the_United_Kingdom#Address_tags"
id="x_m_-6977077854198183516LPlnkOWALinkPreview"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Addresses_in_the_United_Kingdom#Address_tags</a>].
Should it be deprecated?</div>
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style="text-decoration:none"
moz-do-not-send="true">addr:town</a></div>
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style="font-size:14px;
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overflow:hidden"> The town of the
object that forms part of the address.</div>
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style="font-size:14px;
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color:rgb(166,166,166);
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href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">wiki.openstreetmap.org</a></div>
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<div>In the areas I know this tag should not be used, but
addresses can be very different globally. Looking at
taginfo, this seems to be a regional thing (some mix ups
with addr:city aside): <a
href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/addr%3Atown#map"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/addr%3Atown#map</a></div>
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<div>Still looking at taginfo, I see on 35% in combination
with addr:city, or 41k items, it's these that may indicate
there could be something behind it, intention rather than
confusion ;-)<br>
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<div><a
href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/addr%3Atown#combinations"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/addr%3Atown#combinations</a></div>
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