<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">I agree that the old text for seats=* is much better. I would add capacity=* with the new text: <span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 13px; white-space: break-spaces; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Number of </span><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none; border-radius: 0.33em; padding: 0.25em 0px; background-color: rgb(216, 236, 255); caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 13px; white-space: break-spaces;">people</ins><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 13px; white-space: break-spaces; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> </span><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none; border-radius: 0.33em; padding: 0.25em 0px; background-color: rgb(216, 236, 255); caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 13px; white-space: break-spaces;">who</ins><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 13px; white-space: break-spaces; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> </span><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none; border-radius: 0.33em; padding: 0.25em 0px; background-color: rgb(216, 236, 255); caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 13px; white-space: break-spaces;">can</ins><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 13px; white-space: break-spaces; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> </span><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none; border-radius: 0.33em; padding: 0.25em 0px; background-color: rgb(216, 236, 255); caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 13px; white-space: break-spaces;">comfortably</ins><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 13px; white-space: break-spaces; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> </span><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none; border-radius: 0.33em; padding: 0.25em 0px; background-color: rgb(216, 236, 255); caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 13px; white-space: break-spaces;">sit</ins><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 13px; white-space: break-spaces; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> </span><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none; border-radius: 0.33em; padding: 0.25em 0px; background-color: rgb(216, 236, 255); caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 13px; white-space: break-spaces;">on</ins><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 13px; white-space: break-spaces; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> the </span><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none; border-radius: 0.33em; padding: 0.25em 0px; background-color: rgb(216, 236, 255); caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 13px; white-space: break-spaces;">bench</ins><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 13px; white-space: break-spaces; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> </span><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none; border-radius: 0.33em; padding: 0.25em 0px; background-color: rgb(216, 236, 255); caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 13px; white-space: break-spaces;">at</ins><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 13px; white-space: break-spaces; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> </span><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none; border-radius: 0.33em; padding: 0.25em 0px; background-color: rgb(216, 236, 255); caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 13px; white-space: break-spaces;">one</ins><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 13px; white-space: break-spaces; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> </span><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none; border-radius: 0.33em; padding: 0.25em 0px; background-color: rgb(216, 236, 255); caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 13px; white-space: break-spaces;">time. </ins><div><font color="#202122" face="monospace, monospace" size="2"><span style="caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); white-space: break-spaces; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgb(216, 236, 255);"><b>I think it's not a problem that mappers may estimate differently, most will agree most of the time, and if the previous mapper e.g. uses smaller "people", some mappers might amend it but most mappers will tolerate the estimate, as </b></span></font></div><div><font color="#202122" face="monospace, monospace" size="2"><span style="caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); white-space: break-spaces; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgb(216, 236, 255);"><b>will walkers. Adaptive bunch, walkers.<br></b></span></font><br><div dir="ltr">Peter Elderson</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">Op 2 okt. 2022 om 22:21 heeft Raphael <dafadllyn@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span>Until very recently, the wiki said that seats=* means seats, not capacity:</span><br><span></span><br><span>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:amenity%3Dbench&diff=2357111&oldid=2347958</span><br><span></span><br><span>In my opinion, this should be reverted.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Besides, i'm not very enthusiastic about using capacity=* because this</span><br><span>is quite subjective - people have different figures (and feelings at</span><br><span>which minimum distance to the neighbour they are still comfortable).</span><br><span>It seems much better to tag the length of benches.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Best regards</span><br><span>Raphael</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On Thu, 29 Sept 2022 at 19:44, Peter Elderson <pelderson@gmail.com> wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I have stopped tagging seats, because most benches do not have seats. Capacity is ok with me, I will start using that, but still I don't think I will tag that very often, unless it's a huge bench for 20 (I have seen one!) or a very small one for 1 person. I don't mind if others tag seats or estimate the capacity different, as long as they don't remove my capacity tag.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Peter Elderson</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Op do 29 sep. 2022 om 14:10 schreef martianfreeloader <martianfreeloader@posteo.net>:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Facing heavy objections and no support, I have come to the conclusion</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>that my proposal is not considered useful by the community.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I thus decided to retract it.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Tagging mailing list</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Tagging@openstreetmap.org</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Tagging mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Tagging@openstreetmap.org</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Tagging mailing list</span><br><span>Tagging@openstreetmap.org</span><br><span>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</span><br></div></blockquote></div></body></html>