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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/11/22 00:20, Volker Schmidt wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">I think the best way out is to think detached from
the meaning of the strings of characters we use for tagging.
<div dir="auto">Let's document that we have have certain values
for the key "historic" that describe objects that are not
historic, and not even old. </div>
<div dir="auto">After all the purpose of the wiki is to describe
the tagging as is, not as it should be an ideal tagging
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<p>Disagree.</p>
<p>Pedantic hat on: This way we end up with colour=black for the
colour white. And colour=clam for some aesthetic judgement of the
colour.<br>
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<p>We voting on the key/tag, as proposed not the past use (misuse)
of the key. <br>
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<p>If people want to tag 'old' things with the key 'old' .. I would
rather they use the tag start_date=* as that would have more
information. <br>
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<p>A 30 year old may think something 50 years 'old' is 'old', an 80
year 'old' probably would not think that is 'old'. Some will
conclude that "old' is too subjective to tag within OSM ... </p>
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<p>Future example: cloths lines. <br>
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<p>There are 4 possible key values - two of them exist in OSM ...
one of them I 'like' because I have been using it since childhood.
That does not mean that any of the 4 values is 'wrong' .. the
question should be what makes the most sense for most people,
failing that what is easiest to meaningfully translate into other
languages (note the trailing s!). Still thinking about that. <br>
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<p>Using a tag for things other than the common meaning of that word
(or word group) is simply confusing and should be avoided. <br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 3 Nov 2022, 14:05
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<div dir="auto">The main issue I have with this proposal is
that there is a longstanding controversy regarding the
historic key. Namely, the question of whether it is used
for things that are historic or merely old. I don't see how
a proposal centered around this key can move forward with
that fundamental debate unaddressed.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 3, 2022, 8:56
AM Anne-Karoline Distel <<a
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for pointing that out, I've closed the vote again, and
will open<br>
again tomorrow. I don't know if that it the procedure when
you correct<br>
an oversight on the proposal page.<br>
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Anne<br>
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On 03/11/2022 12:16, Daniel Capilla wrote:<br>
> Please,<br>
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> Check the wiki talk page of this proposal before
opening the voting<br>
> time. Some issues are not cleared resolved.<br>
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> Thank you.<br>
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> Daniel Capilla<br>
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