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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/11/22 23:25, Casper Kersten
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<div dir="ltr">Site relations are usually completely redundant if
you just tag an operator=* tag. A tourism=camp_site closed way
or multipolygon is, of course, a camp site, and a shop or
parking area on or belonging to that camp site should get an
operator=* tag with the same tag value as the name or operator
of the camp site. <br>
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<p>Local councils operate some campsites here, they also operate the
library, community centre, town hall ... <br>
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<div>Grouping the tourism=camp_site area and all objects related
to that camp site in a site relation and calling that a camp
site as a whole is a clear violation of the One feature, one
OSM element guideline, as the tourism=camp_site is already the
element for the camp site and the site relation would
unnecessarily duplicate that. <br>
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<p>Some campsites registration area/desk/office is some distance
from the campsite itself. <br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op vr 11 nov. 2022 om 10:55
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<div>Nov 10, 2022, 21:49 by <a
href="mailto:lists@fuchsschwanzdomain.de"
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<div>Site relations are often used to models thing that
aren't spatially<br>
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<div>joined, like windfarms, universities... I can
easily imagine it's<br>
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<div>reasonable to use them for campings in some corner
cases where a single<br>
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<div>area doesn't work.<br>
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<div>Yes, let me clarify this with an example:<br>
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<div>E.g. This site has a working site relation (without
tourism=camp_site removed):<br>
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<div><a
href="https://opencampingmap.org/#15/49.0815/7.9123/1/1/bef/node/3824691120"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>The camp_site node is <a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3824691120"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>Site relation is <a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13009876"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13009876</a><br>
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<div>While it is currently tagged toilets=yes and
openfire=yes this is not<br>
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<div>mandatory because evaluating the corresponding site
relation will give us a<br>
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<div>toilet and a fireplace.<br>
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<div>So what I do with site relations here is basically
the same I do with<br>
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<div>camp_site areas. With areas I check if any supported
object is inside the<br>
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<div>area (spatial join) and assume that this is a feature
of this particular<br>
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<div>With site-relations this is even easier as I can
consider all objects<br>
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<div>related to the site a feature of the camp-site in the
relation.<br>
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<div>I think this is elegant especially in comparison to
the alternatives<br>
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<div>suggested here like expanding the campsite polygon
into areas open to the<br>
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<div>general public like reception desks, restaurants or
even toilets also used<br>
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<div dir="auto">obviously camp site should not be fakely
expanded to cover nearby <br>
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<div dir="auto">restaurants<br>
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<div dir="auto">what about automatically detecting nearby
restaurants/toilets and so on?<br>
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<div dir="auto">rater than listing them manually with site
relation (optionally, check <br>
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<div dir="auto">operator tag - that would apply only in
cases where there are multiple<br>
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<div dir="auto">camp sites or other objects each with
access=customers objects)<br>
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