<html><head></head><body><div class="ydp84ee719fyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Well, the Highway Code says (Rule 188), "<span>Avoid making U-turns at mini-roundabouts. Beware of others doing this."</span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span>I assume that "avoid" is not quite as strong as "prohibited", especially as drivers are then warned to "Beware of others doing thís".</span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span>Also, I know of at least one bus route near me </span><span>that terminates at an (actually fairly large) mini-roundabout, where the busses all do a U-Turn. <span class="ydp89d202ddpasted-link"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;">(</span><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1166864821" style="color: rgb(25, 106, 212); text-decoration-line: underline; font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1166864821</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;">)</span></span>. </span></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">However, I think that the diameter of the centre of a mini-roundabout is irrelevant and even the outer diameter is unlikely to be of use to any map user, unless thay are planning to do a U-Turn (which they are supposed to "avoid" doing.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div class="ydp84ee719fsignature"><div style="font-family:new times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div>Regards,</div><div dir="ltr">Peter</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">(PeterPan99)</div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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On Thursday, 2 February 2023 at 09:04:05 GMT, Philip Barnes <phil@trigpoint.me.uk> wrote:
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<div><div id="ydpccef26fyiv6646231601"><div>A mini roundabout often doesn't usually have a diameter. Most are jus normal junctions which have been made mini-roundabouts to set a priority.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">So in terms of large vehicles it is the same problem as any other junctions, whether they can turn left or right. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">In the UK, U turns are prohibited at mini-roundabouts, which I would have thought would be the main usecase for a diameter.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Phil (trigpoint)<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div id="ydpccef26fyiv6646231601yqtfd39613" class="ydpccef26fyiv6646231601yqt9818696822"><div class="ydpccef26fyiv6646231601gmail_quote">On 2 February 2023 03:31:39 GMT, Matija Nalis <mnalis-openstreetmaplist@voyager.hr> wrote:<blockquote style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;" class="ydpccef26fyiv6646231601gmail_quote">
<pre class="ydpccef26fyiv6646231601k9mail">If the actual issue is that HGV cannot pass some road, why not simply mark it as <br clear="none">`hgv=no`? Besides being simple, it has the additional advantage that routers<br clear="none">will actually already use it and direct HGVs somewhere where they can actually <br clear="none">pass.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Or if some lenghts of HGVs can pass, but others not, then maxlength=* <br clear="none">or maxlength:hgv=* or some of the other alternatives from <br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxlength" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxlength</a> ?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On Wed, 25 Jan 2023 21:25:32 +0100, Volker Schmidt <voschix@gmail.com> wrote:<br clear="none"></pre><blockquote style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #729fcf;padding-left:1ex;" class="ydpccef26fyiv6646231601gmail_quote"> I see that I was not precise with my question: I am after a way to tag the<br clear="none"> overall diameter of the round surface composed of the mini-roundabout road<br clear="none"> surface plus the traversable central part. This is an important measure for<br clear="none"> trucks. I happen to live near one of these with an outer diameter of 12 m,<br clear="none"> and that attracts regularly articulated lorries like the cheese attracts<br clear="none"> flies. This triggered the question.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> Il giorno mer 25 gen 2023 alle ore 19:10 Peter Neale via Tagging <<br clear="none"> tagging@openstreetmap.org> ha scritto:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #ad7fa8;padding-left:1ex;" class="ydpccef26fyiv6646231601gmail_quote"> According to the Wiki (with which I happen to agree), a mini-roundabout is<br clear="none"> defined as:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> "...a special type of roundabout in which the middle can be traversed<br clear="none"> <<a shape="rect" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Traversable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Traversable</a>> by vehicles, and is<br clear="none"> typically used where there is only limited space available. Road traffic<br clear="none"> flows in one direction around a point in the middle and the traffic in the<br clear="none"> roundabout has right-of-way. The middle of a mini-roundabout is usually<br clear="none"> only a painted circle, but there might also be a low, fully traversable<br clear="none"> (mountable) dome or island."<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> As it is traversable, does it really have a diameter? Or, if there is a<br clear="none"> painted circle (are traversable domed area) on the ground, perhaps that has<br clear="none"> a diameter, but does it matter to any prospective map user?<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> Regards,<br clear="none"> Peter<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> Peter Neale<br clear="none"> t: 01908 309666<br clear="none"> m: 07968 341930<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"> On Wednesday, 25 January 2023 at 17:53:55 GMT, Volker Schmidt <<br clear="none"> voschix@gmail.com> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"> Is there an established way to tag the diameter of a mini-roundabout?<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> We have the tag diameter, but I could not find it applied to<br clear="none"> mini-roundabouts.<hr> Tagging mailing list<br clear="none"> Tagging@openstreetmap.org<br clear="none"> <a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><hr> Tagging mailing list<br clear="none"> Tagging@openstreetmap.org<br clear="none"> <a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></blockquote></blockquote><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div class="ydpccef26fyqt9818696822" id="ydpccef26fyqtfd04855">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Tagging mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br clear="none"></div></div>
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