<div dir="auto">Yes, Phil, I overlooked your last point (and I have UK driving license). In Italy there are no separate rules or road signs for traversable roundabouts, hence no interdiction of U-turns. That needs addressing. Country-specific defaults?<div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br><div dir="auto">"My" traversable roundabout is in fact often used for U-turns, but only by shorter vehicles. The articulated trucks I observe, are turning left, not U-turning, on a four-way layout.</div><div dir="auto"><br><div dir="auto"><br></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 2 Feb 2023, 10:04 Philip Barnes, <<a href="mailto:phil@trigpoint.me.uk">phil@trigpoint.me.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>A mini roundabout often doesn't usually have a diameter. Most are jus normal junctions which have been made mini-roundabouts to set a priority.<br><br>So in terms of large vehicles it is the same problem as any other junctions, whether they can turn left or right. <br><br>In the UK, U turns are prohibited at mini-roundabouts, which I would have thought would be the main usecase for a diameter.<br><br>Phil (trigpoint)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 2 February 2023 03:31:39 GMT, Matija Nalis <<a href="mailto:mnalis-openstreetmaplist@voyager.hr" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mnalis-openstreetmaplist@voyager.hr</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<pre dir="auto">If the actual issue is that HGV cannot pass some road, why not simply mark it as <br>`hgv=no`? Besides being simple, it has the additional advantage that routers<br>will actually already use it and direct HGVs somewhere where they can actually <br>pass.<br><br>Or if some lenghts of HGVs can pass, but others not, then maxlength=* <br>or maxlength:hgv=* or some of the other alternatives from <br><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxlength" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxlength</a> ?<br><br>On Wed, 25 Jan 2023 21:25:32 +0100, Volker Schmidt <<a href="mailto:voschix@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">voschix@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #729fcf;padding-left:1ex"> I see that I was not precise with my question: I am after a way to tag the<br> overall diameter of the round surface composed of the mini-roundabout road<br> surface plus the traversable central part. This is an important measure for<br> trucks. I happen to live near one of these with an outer diameter of 12 m,<br> and that attracts regularly articulated lorries like the cheese attracts<br> flies. This triggered the question.<br><br> Il giorno mer 25 gen 2023 alle ore 19:10 Peter Neale via Tagging <<br> <a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>> ha scritto:<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #ad7fa8;padding-left:1ex"> According to the Wiki (with which I happen to agree), a mini-roundabout is<br> defined as:<br><br> "...a special type of roundabout in which the middle can be traversed<br> <<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Traversable" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Traversable</a>> by vehicles, and is<br> typically used where there is only limited space available. Road traffic<br> flows in one direction around a point in the middle and the traffic in the<br> roundabout has right-of-way. The middle of a mini-roundabout is usually<br> only a painted circle, but there might also be a low, fully traversable<br> (mountable) dome or island."<br><br> As it is traversable, does it really have a diameter? Or, if there is a<br> painted circle (are traversable domed area) on the ground, perhaps that has<br> a diameter, but does it matter to any prospective map user?<br><br> Regards,<br> Peter<br><br> Peter Neale<br> t: 01908 309666<br> m: 07968 341930<br><br><br> On Wednesday, 25 January 2023 at 17:53:55 GMT, Volker Schmidt <<br> <a href="mailto:voschix@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">voschix@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><br> Is there an established way to tag the diameter of a mini-roundabout?<br><br> We have the tag diameter, but I could not find it applied to<br> mini-roundabouts.<hr> Tagging mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br> <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><hr> Tagging mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br> <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br><br></blockquote></blockquote><br><br></pre></blockquote></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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