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<div dir="auto">Problem: there are 3+ tags for areas of mostly
grass with sometimes overlapping meaning, in 2 different keys
(landuse=meadow, natural=grassland, landuse=grass)</div>
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<p>You have forgotten at least one - landuse=farmland, crop=grass.</p>
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<p>However while landuse=meadow and my addition may have grass, it
may not always have grass for instance after a harvest the grass
may be gone, but the land use remains. So these area could have
both a landuse and a landcover. I see nothing wrong with that as
they are separate things. <br>
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<p>A 'natural=grassland' ... has been misused .. so maybe better to
use landcover=grass and then some subtags to specify whatever is
the differences that people want to map. For instance the height
of the grass .. 2 meters in some parts of the world. <br>
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<div dir="auto">Solution(?): 4+ tags for areas of grass with
overlapping meaning, in 3 different keys<br>
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<div dir="auto">I don’t see how this will be an improvement. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Even if you succeed in replacing over 5 million
uses of landuse=grass with landcover=grass there will still be
areas of landuse=meadow and natural=grassland which are not
precisely defined, not to mention other areas with grass
surface such as leisure=pitch and leisure=recreation_ground,
landuse=village_green, landuse=greenfield, etc</div>
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<p>landuse=meadow should delete the vegetation in the description
leaving the use ... "Used to tag an area of land used for hay
(meadow) or for grazing animals (pasture)." That would make it
clear and possibly reduce its misuse. If you can only see grass
then you don't know if it is a meadow, so don't map that .. but
map the grass!<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at
12:38 PM Cartographer10 via Tagging <<a
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<div>We have significantly updated the proposal. We have
removed most of the proposed values and only trees and
grass are left. This to reduce the scope of the
proposal.<br>
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<div dir="auto">We also tried to better explain that
with this proposal, we aim to improve the tagging
scheme in the long term. This proposal is basically a
building block other can build upon to improve the
tagging scheme (e.g <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Forest#Which_tag_should_be_used"
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<div dir="auto">I hope that this address some of the
raised concerns and creates more meaning for the
proposal.</div>
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<div>Kind regards,<br>
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