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<div>In your examples you are mixing functional and physical tags.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">At first, we actually deprecate landuse=grass so that is -1 tag for grass.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">"Even if you succeed in replacing over 5 million uses of landuse=grass with landcover=grass there will still be areas of landuse=meadow and natural=grassland which are not precisely defined". Refining those tags is outside of the scope of this proposal. Fact is that the physical landcover is grass. That is why landcover=grass is implied on these tags. <br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Tags like leisure=recreation_ground and landuse=greenfield are functional tags. They describe a function. A recreation ground can consist of multiple landcover. Therefore, leisure=recreation_ground does not imply landcover=grass but it can contain landcover=grass but also other physical coverages.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">leisure=pitch, as described, on the proposal should be tagged with surface=grass. That implies landcover=grass but the surface tag it self is a property of something (e.g. a pitch or highway), not a main feature it self.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Kind regards,<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Vincent<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>16 feb. 2023 05:00 van joseph_eisenberg_at_gmail_com_mbykm@simplelogin.co:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><table style="width: 100%; -premailer-width: 100%; -premailer-cellpadding: 0;
-premailer-cellspacing: 0; margin: 0; padding: 0;" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td style="border-bottom:1px dashed #5675E2; padding: 10px 0px"><p style="color:red">This email failed anti-phishing checks when it was received by SimpleLogin, be careful with its content.
More info on <a href="https://simplelogin.io/docs/getting-started/anti-phishing/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">anti-phishing measure</a><br></p></td></tr><tr><td><div><div dir="auto">Problem: there are 3+ tags for areas of mostly grass with sometimes overlapping meaning, in 2 different keys (landuse=meadow, natural=grassland, landuse=grass)<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Solution(?): 4+ tags for areas of grass with overlapping meaning, in 3 different keys<br></div></div><div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I don’t see how this will be an improvement. <br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Even if you succeed in replacing over 5 million uses of landuse=grass with landcover=grass there will still be areas of landuse=meadow and natural=grassland which are not precisely defined, not to mention other areas with grass surface such as leisure=pitch and leisure=recreation_ground, landuse=village_green, landuse=greenfield, etc<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-Joseph Eisenberg<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><div><br></div><div class=""><div class="" dir="ltr">On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 12:38 PM Cartographer10 via Tagging <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" class=""><div><div>We have significantly updated the proposal. We have removed most of the proposed values and only trees and grass are left. This to reduce the scope of the proposal.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We also tried to better explain that with this proposal, we aim to improve the tagging scheme in the long term. This proposal is basically a building block other can build upon to improve the tagging scheme (e.g <a target="_blank" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Forest#Which_tag_should_be_used" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Forest#Which_tag_should_be_used</a>?). <br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I hope that this address some of the raised concerns and creates more meaning for the proposal.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div>Kind regards,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Vincent<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div> Tagging mailing list<br></div><div> <a target="_blank" href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div> <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br></div></blockquote></div></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div> </body>
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