<html><head></head><body><div class="ydp51c0a61byahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I my area (Milton Keynes, UK) there are numberous pairs of bollards, where one is fixed, but the other can be removed after unlocking a padlock, to which I understand the Fire Service have a universal key.</div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">These bollards are used on shared Foot / Cycleways, where they join or cross roads and serve to prevent motor vehicles from driving on the Foot / Cycleway. They can also be removed by maintenance workers operating with permission from the local Council (I have tagged the access rights of the ways with "motor_vehicle=permit") </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">As the bollards are only enforcing the access restrictions (and there must be thousands of them) I have not felt the need to map them, but if someone wanted to, I am not sure how they should be tagged to represent the "locked-but-can-be-opened-by-the-Fire-Service" status.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">More importantly, I am sure that there must be other barriers with similar locks, which Fire Services might want to see mapped and correctly tagged.</div><div><br></div><div class="ydp51c0a61bsignature"><div style="font-family:new times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div>Regards,</div><div dir="ltr">Peter</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div> Peter Neale
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On Tuesday, 21 February 2023 at 19:04:08 GMT, Marc_marc <marc_marc@mailo.com> wrote:
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<div><div dir="ltr">Feb 21, 2023, 15:24 by <a shape="rect" href="mailto:zeev.stadler@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">zeev.stadler@gmail.com</a>:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> 1. As far as non-emergency routing, the "locked" tag should be ignored.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">it is up to the person doing the routing to decide (and if I were him,<br clear="none">I would impose a penalty: getting out of the vehicle and opening<br clear="none">the barrier takes more time than going through a route of the<br clear="none">same distance without a barrier<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> 2. A "locked=no" tag indicates that a legal access restriction is<br clear="none">> not enforced by a lock and therefore could be overcome in case<br clear="none">> of an emergency.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">i agree<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> 3. A "locked=yes" tag indicates that the legal access restriction<br clear="none">> is enforced by a lock and therefore cannot be overcome in case<br clear="none">> of an emergency.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">legal or not, it's enforced<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Le 21.02.23 à 15:34, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging a écrit :<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> That is better mapped by mapping path around barrier, <br clear="none">> at least in my opinion.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">maybe for a barrier=gate<br clear="none"><br clear="none">but a barrier=lift_gate/swing_gate hat is less wide than the whole road<br clear="none">is not really a barrier + a path that goes around the barrier.<br clear="none">ditto if for a dual retractable barrier=bollard blocking vehicles<br clear="none">but pedestrians and cyclists pass in the middle<br clear="none">ditto for a lcoked barrier=gate with a unlocked barrier=wicket_gate<br clear="none">part of it to still allow pedestrian access<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Regards,<br clear="none">Marc<div class="ydp76b7e21byqt2800107526" id="ydp76b7e21byqtfd15823"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Tagging mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br clear="none"></div></div></div>
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