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<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Feb 21, 2023, 15:24 by zeev.stadler@gmail.com:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div>I would like the help of the list to clarify the meaning of having a "locked=yes" tag on a barrier node together with some allowed access tags.<br></div><div><div><br></div><div>The introduction to the "locked" tag wiki page <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:locked" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:locked</a> says:<br></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class=""><div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier new",monospace"><a title="Key:access" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">access</a>=*</span> is used to describe the legal permission to travel through a barrier
but does not indicate in emergencies what the physical access is<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Therefore, my understanding is that <br></div><div><ol><li>As far as non-emergency routing, the "locked" tag should be ignored.<br></li><li>A "locked=no" tag indicates that a legal access restriction is not enforced by a lock and therefore could be overcome in case of an emergency.<br></li><li>A "locked=yes" tag indicates that the
legal access restriction is enforced by a lock and therefore cannot be overcome in case of an emergency.<br></li></ol></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">In general I agree.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It may be nitpicking but I would phrase it "cannot be overcome by just opening it"<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Depending on exact barrier it may be relative easy to cross, and depending on<br></div><div dir="auto">exact emergency, customs and local law barrier may be destroyed by responders,<br></div><div dir="auto">in some cases quite easily.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In some cases for example gate may be locked by you can get around it easily.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>The "How to map" description in the wiki page seems to assume a
gate or a barrier
with a simple "access=no". It is not clear with respect to any permitted access methods. <br></div><div><br></div><div> For example, barrier node with the following tags:<br></div></div><div><p dir="auto"><br></p><table role="table"><thead><tr><th style="text-align:left">tag<br></th><th>value<br></th></tr></thead><tbody><tr><td>barrier<br></td><td>gate<br></td></tr><tr><td>motor_vehicle<br></td><td>no<br></td></tr><tr><td>locked<br></td><td>yes<br></td></tr><tr><td>bicycle<br></td><td>yes<br></td></tr><tr><td>foot<br></td><td>yes<br></td></tr></tbody></table><p dir="auto"><br></p></div><div><div>I think this tagging says: <br></div><ul dir="auto"><li>There is a locked gate that blocks motor vehicles<br></li><li>There are no access restrictions for pedestrians and bikes<br></li></ul></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I agree but I cannot imagine such barrier.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>This is not the interpretation of other people, as seen in a discussion on a GraphHopper routing issue<br></div><div><div> <a href="https://github.com/graphhopper/graphhopper/issues/2757#issuecomment-1434806229" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/graphhopper/graphhopper/issues/2757#issuecomment-1434806229</a><br></div></div><div><div>There you could also find a picture of such a barrier.<br></div></div><div>Please help us resolve the differences<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">That is better mapped by mapping path around barrier, at least in my opinion.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">See say <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1079963925">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1079963925</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This can be more easily understood without elaborate hard to interpret tagging<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div> </body>
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