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<p>Sorry to dredge this up again, but what seems to have happened
is:</p>
<p>Some edits to <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names</a> by
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgo_eiu">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgo_eiu</a> were reverted
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Names&type=revision&diff=2368644&oldid=2351644">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Names&type=revision&diff=2368644&oldid=2351644</a>
and there was discussion on this list at <span class="comment"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2022-August/065130.html">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2022-August/065130.html</a>
. Before the discussion went off-topic, there was broad
agreement with the revert.<br>
</span></p>
<p>They then made essentially the same edit again. In particular
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Names&type=revision&diff=2371288&oldid=2368814">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Names&type=revision&diff=2371288&oldid=2368814</a>
changes "Avoid Transliteration" (which is the OSM norm) to
"Transliteration" (which is not).</p>
<p>It would of course be entirely reasonable to note that when a
particular language has multiple orthographies that that should to
be taken into account (see for example the ongoing discussion at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/multilingual-names-in-bulgaria/98762">https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/multilingual-names-in-bulgaria/98762</a>
about how names should be handled in Bulgaria). However, most
languages only have one form of writing in very wide use, so this
should at best be a footnote or a bracketed comment on the main
page. <br>
</p>
<p>A new OSM editor should not be confused by the content of
something as basic as the "names" page in the OSM wiki.
Currently, they probably will be.</p>
<p>I believe that what needs to happen is essentially a revert of
the changes at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Names&type=revision&diff=2371288&oldid=2368814">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Names&type=revision&diff=2371288&oldid=2368814</a>
, whilst ensuring that the "some countries" paragraph at the end
covers those rarer cases where transliteration is the norm.</p>
<p>It'd be great if someone who is invested in the value of the OSM
wiki would make the relevant edit*, rather than me, who thinks
that it is (following edits such as this) quite often unhelpful
and unfortunately sometimes best ignored. However, I'll do it if
no one else will.<br>
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<p>Best Regards,</p>
<p>Andy</p>
<p>(for the avoidance of any doubt, writing in an entirely personal
capacity)<br>
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<p>* like Harry Wood did with this section, after significant
consultation, back in 2014<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/08/2022 12:44, Clay Smalley
wrote:<br>
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<div>Regardless of the topic, personal attacks are not
necessary. You don't build consensus by publicly shaming other
contributors.</div>
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<div dir="auto">-Clay <br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 12, 2022, 4:15
AM bgo_eiu (OSM mailing list email) via Tagging <<a
href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14px">The topic at
hand is an update I made to the wiki. Anyone is free to
discuss this on the Wiki, where this discussion belongs.</div>
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<div><span><a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/bgo_eiu"
rel="noopener noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/bgo_eiu</a></span><br>
</div>
<div><span><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgo_eiu"
rel="noopener noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgo_eiu</a></span></div>
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<div> Sent with <a href="https://proton.me/"
rel="noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">Proton Mail</a> secure email.
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<div> ------- Original Message -------<br>
On Thursday, August 11th, 2022 at 5:08 PM, Richard
Fairhurst <<a href="mailto:richard@systemed.net"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">richard@systemed.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">bgo_eiu wrote:<br>
> I don't think many people have ever agreed
with your whining <br>
> on here. I notice people complain about your
Wiki edits on <br>
> Slack regularly.<br>
<br>
This is not how we conduct ourselves on here.
Please desist.</div>
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<div>Richard</div>
<div dir="auto">sporadic tagging@ list admin</div>
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