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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18/10/23 19:15, Mateusz Konieczny
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<div>Oct 18, 2023, 09:30 by <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>:<br>
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<div class="">On 17/10/23 23:22, Paul Johnson wrote:<br>
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<div class="" dir="ltr">On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 4:51 AM
Warin <<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
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<div>On 17/10/23 04:17, Paul Johnson wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Presently, it's common for route
relations to have names that violate "name is only
the name" and "name is not ref" and "name is not
description" rules for name=* tags.<br>
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<p>I don't find it common in 'my area' of mapping. One
or two examples would demonstrate the situation?<br>
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<p>In any case:<br>
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<p>The name tag is used on may things for example;
buildings, parks, schools, highways ... <br>
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<p>The use of the name tag as 'name only' applies
where ever the name tag is used. This is similar for
other tags such as elevation, width, colour etc. No
matter what feature they are used on the tags carry
the same characteristics and restrictions. It is not
necessary to repeat these characteristics and
restrictions for every main feature.<br>
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<div>Routes have names, too! For example, here's the
relation for OK 51, named for the name of the route. <a
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href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3108562"
rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3108562</a><br>
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<div>Meanwhile, I 40 in Arkansas has a good example of a
name that is actually a ref and a description, not a
name. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6843700"
rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6843700</a><br>
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<div> Finally, OK 19 is an example of a properly described
no-name route. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7479405"
rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7479405</a><br>
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<p>Ok. I still don't see a necessity of repeating the name tag
information inside the relation tag...<br>
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<div dir="auto">this proposal wants to remove wrong advise that
advocates adding fake names to<br>
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<div dir="auto">maybe just removing this bad advise without
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<p>Arrr now I see it ! <br>
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<p>This only applies to the 'name' 'advice' on PTv2 <br>
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<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport#Service_routes">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport#Service_routes</a></p>
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<p>"name = <i><type of transport><reference number>:
<from> → <to>"</i></p>
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<p>That would mean the name tag contains the information already in
the other tags... redundant.</p>
<p>The Australian 'India Pacific' train journey has the name 'India
Pacific' .. no 'train', nor ref nor from nor to... </p>
<p> The Russian 'Trans Siberian' train journey .. South African
'Blue Train' etc etc.. none of these real names translate to the
above PTv2 'name'. <br>
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<p>Does this proposal only apply to the PTv2??? If so why not say
so? <br>
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