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I do not understand how is estimated a median point between unclassified and tertiary values. Chilean community has shown opposition to upgrade from unclassified to tertiary the access to Villa Las Estrellas/Frei base. The Argentine community has not spoken
in this mailing list, but those I have consulted there is opposition to using tertiary in Argentine bases Marambio and Esperanza/Fortín Sargento Cabral. Although Antarctica is an international space I guess should take account the opinion of local communities
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All of them were tagged as highway=unclassified/residential before your editions one year ago.</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>De:</b> Fernando Trebien <fernando.trebien@gmail.com><br>
<b>Enviado:</b> viernes, 26 de abril de 2024 11:03<br>
<b>Para:</b> Tag discussion, strategy and related tools <tagging@openstreetmap.org><br>
<b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Tagging] Highway classification in Antarctica</font>
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<div class="PlainText">A possible revised assignment taking the medians of different opinions<br>
case by case:<br>
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South Pole Traverse: secondary (or maybe primary)<br>
The other 4 traverses: tertiary<br>
Ground routes between major stations, airports and harbours: tertiary<br>
Main ways within stations: unclassified<br>
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At McMurdo, Main Street, The Gap, Williams Field Road and Phoenix Road<br>
would become tertiary, and all other current tertiaries would be<br>
demoted to unclassified.<br>
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Are there any objections to this change? This will affect 130 ways.<br>
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I forgot to mention that the Route du Raid was highway=secondary from<br>
2018 to 2023 [1] and that the South Pole Traverse was<br>
highway=unclassified from 2012 to 2020 and highway=primary since then,<br>
with three different mappers trying to change it to highway=trunk. [2]<br>
For two years, Route du Raid was mapped as more important than the<br>
South Pole Traverse.<br>
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[1] <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/187792382/history">https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Fway%2F187792382%2Fhistory&data=05%7C02%7C%7C33691d553b0649c332fd08dc660307e4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638497410409763397%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=hRBq0xDCkzSuU2J79MklZ2G47ndFNkEUzL8s%2ByQJq44%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
[2] <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/124904767/history">https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Fway%2F124904767%2Fhistory&data=05%7C02%7C%7C33691d553b0649c332fd08dc660307e4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638497410409777300%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Xzzr%2B9AdOf8usJ1fFfY2Mlj7Dr6n341mbxodmvQ49Uk%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
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On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 at 11:27, Fernando Trebien<br>
<fernando.trebien@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
><br>
> As Antarctica is international space,[1] I understand that, in<br>
> principle, the highway classification scheme of no particular country<br>
> applies there. For a while, I tried to come up with a balanced generic<br>
> scheme based on the regional importance of these roads,[2] which has<br>
> been questioned,[3] so I would like to hear opinions on the matter.<br>
><br>
> Should the classification of highways in Antarctica:<br>
><br>
> 1. Follow country-specific conventions near stations? This can lead to<br>
> different classifications for long polar traverses maintained by<br>
> different countries and can create disconnected road networks (in<br>
> terms of classification) between nearby stations operated by different<br>
> countries.<br>
><br>
> 2. Follow generic OSM definitions based on absolute population<br>
> thresholds of the places they connect? (10k+ people for town, 1k for<br>
> village, 100 for hamlet, etc.) This will assign very low road classes<br>
> across the continent.<br>
><br>
> 3. Follow generic OSM definitions based on lower place population<br>
> thresholds that are more compatible with the reality of the continent,<br>
> based on regional importance? [4] The result may be perceived by some<br>
> as assigning higher than normal highway classes to the connections<br>
> between these small settlements.<br>
><br>
> Additionally, should the permanent population be considered (zero in<br>
> most cases, which is the case even for larger stations, further<br>
> lowering highway classification), or the average occupancy of the<br>
> stations?<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
><br>
> [1] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System">https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAntarctic_Treaty_System&data=05%7C02%7C%7C33691d553b0649c332fd08dc660307e4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638497410409786003%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=J2h9x1YEpzn1cDBmoXkvs955JWijSDKybowYjdZ1%2F8w%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
> [2] <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Antarctica/Tagging#Roads_and_routes">
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2FAntarctica%2FTagging%23Roads_and_routes&data=05%7C02%7C%7C33691d553b0649c332fd08dc660307e4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638497410409793200%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Vms%2BfR4L1NoKbS4i2dmn5y%2FcNkI7AjLsCV5lQYbiFSM%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
> [3] <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/150316868">https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Fchangeset%2F150316868&data=05%7C02%7C%7C33691d553b0649c332fd08dc660307e4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638497410409798975%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=CEk3U42xZCNI6rLI8LmUxtKg1tqYtXZfJ96wd5mTzHc%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
> [4] <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway#Assumptions">https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2FKey%3Ahighway%23Assumptions&data=05%7C02%7C%7C33691d553b0649c332fd08dc660307e4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638497410409803038%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=C67EvoMAu4lLlm0zUynI3KbzOzrWQ9EWA2mrCQXnQdU%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Fernando Trebien<br>
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Fernando Trebien<br>
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