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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I would re-iterate Martin's assertion.<br>
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      In Norway, we tag bicycle=designated/foot=designated when there is
      a traffic sign for cycleway/footway/combined. Implicit in this
      logic is that the consequence of the traffic sign is a different
      legal status compared to an unsigned road. A route sign is not a
      traffic sign and causes no change in legal status. We would not
      use =designated nor =yes merely because of a route sign. The route
      sign tells us to add a route relation to the way.<br>
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      Jens<br>
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      On 30/04/2024 10:49, Szem wrote:<br>
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      There was a similar conversation in the Hungarian community as
      well. I would like to ask what you think about such (and similar)
      official bicycle route signs:<br>
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      do they imply a bicycle=designated value for the road if it is not
      a cycleway (because it is unnecessary for that), or is it enough
      to just put the lcn/rcn etc. value on the road.<br>
      Thanks, Szem<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">2024.04.30. 09:09 keltezéssel, Martin
        Koppenhoefer írta:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr">sent from a phone</div>
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          <blockquote type="cite">On 30 Apr 2024, at 08:51, Graeme
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                <div dir="auto">In fact, some bicycle trails are signed
                  where<br>
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            <div>So does that then make it legal?</div>
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        <div>no, in Germany it also happens from time to time that we
          discover signposted bicycle routes where cycling is legally
          forbidden, often presumably because the signs are not
          “correct” (not what is intended), and the legal conclusion
          from such a situation is you have to push the bike on such
          sections. Route markers do not change legal accessibility as
          defined by traffic signs.</div>
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