<br>Just to clarify Ian's comment about the usage of NSW Library maps,<br>I (and I assume others) only used maps that were out of copyright<br>from the NSW Department of Lands - which seems like a fairly<br>safe path<br>
<br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 11/27/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Ian Sergeant</b> <<a href="mailto:isergean@hih.com.au">isergean@hih.com.au</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
"Matt White" <<a href="mailto:mattwhite@iinet.com.au">mattwhite@iinet.com.au</a>> wrote:<br><br>> ... you could probably cherry pick statements either way. Copyright for<br>the<br>> compilation of data seems to apply to actual lists of data (so
<br>potentially<br>> the index pages of a street map) ...<br><br>A list is a list. A list of names printed over the streets on a map, is<br>just as much a list as the black and white index at the beginning.<br><br>You can find arguments to support both sides. This, I guess, is my point.
<br>It is not settled law, and do we want to use OSM as the vehicle to settle<br>it? Is it fair to the project to do so?<br><br>> I'm also looking at gettings some scans of some out of copyright street<br>maps<br>
> from the State Library ...<br><br>We have done this in NSW/Sydney and Canberra where the state library and<br>national library have the maps online. Franc and others have done some<br>good work naming streets from these sources.
<br><br><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2007-July/000015.html">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2007-July/000015.html</a><br><br>> I just went back through the copyright council info
<br>> (<a href="http://www.copyright.org.au/pdf/acc/infosheets_pdf/G090.pdf">http://www.copyright.org.au/pdf/acc/infosheets_pdf/G090.pdf</a>), and found<br>> this paragraph (which obviously doesn't represent outright legal advice,
<br>but<br>> is interesting nevertheless...)<br><br>I think there is a little doubt that if I look at an address from a map,<br>and use that information, or copy it that it likely not a copyright<br>infringement.<br><br>
Equally, I'm confident that a copying the entirety of a street directory<br>list of street names, and using it to pupulate a database with street<br>names, so closely resembles the circumstances in Desktop Marketing that it
<br>would likely be an infringment in Australia.<br><br>We have the additional problem that the servers are in the UK, and under<br>the copyright and database right provisions in UK law, it would be an<br>infringement within the UK jurisdiction.
<br><br>I think we should get permission, or leave it alone.<br><br>"Jim Croft" <<a href="mailto:jim.croft@gmail.com">jim.croft@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> if you have open in front of you two street directories, and on the
<br>screen Google Maps or similar,<br>> and they all offer the same name for the same street, you have just used<br>multiple sources to find<br>> and confirm a fact.<br><br>But if you do this to populate the OSM database, you have breached the
<br>terms of use of Google Maps, and likely infringed the copyright of the<br>street directory. The same way that I can look up a telephone number in<br>the phone book without fear of prosecution, but Desktop Marketing is an
<br>insolvent shell of a company now for employing people in a philipines to do<br>the same thing 100,000 times over..<br><br>Ian.<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-au mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org">
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-- <br>Franc