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<p class=MsoPlainText>Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 05:29:14 +1100<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>From: John Henderson <snowgum@gmx.com><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Subject: Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>To: Talk-AU at OpenStreetMap <talk-au@openstreetmap.org><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Message-ID: <4B4384FA.7060800@gmx.com><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>John Smith wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> 2010/1/5 Richard Colless <<a
href="mailto:firefly@ar.com.au">firefly@ar.com.au</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>> The issue of copying names from a street
directory is very similar. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>> The publishers of the directory hold copyright
over the graphic <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>> layout of the map, but they cannot hold
copyright over the street <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>> names themselves. Those<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> That's assuming what they printed is correct,
mapping companies have <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> lots of errors in their maps, some errors are
intentional to catch <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> copyright infringements.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>I've been playing it safe to date, and not entering any
road names from maps unless I get agreement between the maps of companies with
different ownership.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> Only councils (or developers or the street signs)
would actually have <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> original authoritative information on the street
names.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>> names are in the public domain. If you look up a
street name in the <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>> directory, then you now know that name. If you
then use it to name a <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>> street<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> The Telstra case of their copyright on white pages
here would be <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> relevant, and to a lesser extent from what I
understand the IceTV <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> ruling, however unless you are willing to personally
fund an OSM <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> defence fund why risk everyone else's work over it?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>I missed that Telstra case. Do you have a reference
to a good summary?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>John<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>------------------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 05:29:14 +1100<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>From: John Henderson <snowgum@gmx.com><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Subject: Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>To: Talk-AU at OpenStreetMap <talk-au@openstreetmap.org><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Message-ID: <4B4384FA.7060800@gmx.com><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>John Smith wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> 2010/1/5 Richard Colless <<a
href="mailto:firefly@ar.com.au">firefly@ar.com.au</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>> The issue of copying names from a street
directory is very similar. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>> The publishers of the directory hold copyright
over the graphic <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>> layout of the map, but they cannot hold
copyright over the street <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>> names themselves. Those<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> That's assuming what they printed is correct,
mapping companies have <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> lots of errors in their maps, some errors are
intentional to catch <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> copyright infringements.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>I've been playing it safe to date, and not entering any
road names from maps unless I get agreement between the maps of companies with
different ownership.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> Only councils (or developers or the street signs)
would actually have <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> original authoritative information on the street
names.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>> names are in the public domain. If you look up a
street name in the <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>> directory, then you now know that name. If you
then use it to name a <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>> street<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> The Telstra case of their copyright on white pages
here would be <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> relevant, and to a lesser extent from what I
understand the IceTV <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> ruling, however unless you are willing to personally
fund an OSM <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> defence fund why risk everyone else's work over it?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>I missed that Telstra case. Do you have a reference
to a good summary?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>John<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>------------------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>The case is Desktop Marketing Systems Pty Ltd V Telstra
Corporation Ltd [2002] FCAFC 112 <a
href="http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/FCAFC/2002/112.html">http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/FCAFC/2002/112.html</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>The issue for a copyright holder making an action against
OSM associated with the use of Street Names would be to get a finding that the
name represents a substantial part. This is a complex issue but the occasion
use may well represent a very difficult argument for the holder to make.
However, significant referencing to another’s map would be a very
different matter. The important aspect in this thread is that you should not be
using any copyrighted material – ever and without expectation. O in OSM
is for open and taking others work effort is not the idea. Open is not free,
the cost is that we have to do some work to make it competitive. We may not
have seem much in the way of challenges to date but the product is starting to
reach a point where it is beginning to be competitive with the commercial
product – we need to be aware that this will be when the challenges come……<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Cheers <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Jamie<o:p></o:p></p>
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