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No! Wrong!<br>
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I've never actually declined at all. I have just never accepted the
new CT's. I didn't decline because I wasn't asked. From my point of
view, there wasn't <u><b>any</b></u> communication directly with
the mappers. I knew about the changes <b>only </b>because I am on
the Talk-Au list. OSM never contacted me, and until quite late in
the story, I didn't even get any advice about the change when I
logged on to make edits.<br>
<br>
I followed the discussion with much interest, and only decided not
to accept the new CT's when I observed the rudeness with which the
objections were handled. The recent spate of correspondence has done
nothing to make me reconsider.<br>
<br>
Richard<br>
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On 31/03/2012 7:03 PM, Simon Poole wrote:
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Richard<br>
<br>
while IMHO communications in OSM and out of OSM leave much to
desire, in the case of the licence change there has been a
substantial amount of communication to the mappers. The only
reason I can see for you -not- getting a mail from the OSMF early
on, is that you must have practically immediately declined when
that became possible. And I assume the reasoning at that point in
time was that as a decliner you were already informed about the
issues and didn't need the OSMF pointing out something you already
knew about.<br>
<br>
Simon <br>
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Am 31.03.2012 04:59, schrieb Richard Colless:
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I did decline the new terms. And I was contacted, as I said,
just once, by someone trying to persuade me to change my mind.
My point was that OSM never contacted me to say that a licence
change was being considered. That is hardly the right way to go
about making a major change to the system.<br>
<br>
I also take issue with this statement:<br>
<pre wrap="">Declining hurts fellow Australian mappers who have in good faith build
data on-top of your contributions and will leave animosity between our
projects.
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Don't try blaming decliners for the hurt to other mappers. If
anyone built up on my edits, and their work gets deleted as a
result, blame OSM, not the members who declined.<br>
<br>
Richard<br>
<br>
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On 31/03/2012 12:36 PM, Ian Sergeant wrote:
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cite="mid:CALDa4YJZba93O8oX9wHzdcWtQ+tcup9RNg4KAnhah_hVxc9Qaw@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Hi Richard,<br>
<br>
Like or loathe the licence change, and the manner it has been
pursued, sure. But I really don't think anyone in OSM has
tried to keep the knowledge of the licence change quiet. I
think a fair few people have been trying to get in touch with
as many people as possible.<br>
<br>
I've personally tried contacting Australian contributors
individually who haven't accepted or declined, and who haven't
edited for a while. These are the people who may not be
engaged with the community any longer, and who actually may
not know about the licence change. Did you decline the
licence change? Because if you did, I'd have assumed that you
knew about it and were aware of the discussion, and therefore
didn't need to be contacted.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Ian.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 31 March 2012 09:14, Richard
Colless <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:firefly@ar.com.au">firefly@ar.com.au</a>></span>
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you, John. I couldn't have expressed it better.<br>
<br>
Throughout this whole sorry story, I have only ever
received ONE communication form OSM. It was a begging
letter asking me to reconsider. If not for the discussion
of the forum, I would not have even known about the
licence change. AI think that shows how much OSM cares
about keeping contributors informed about changes.<br>
<br>
Richard<br>
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On 31/03/2012 7:43 AM, John Smith wrote:<br>
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March 2012 01:54, Grant Slater<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:openstreetmap@firefishy.com"
target="_blank">openstreetmap@firefishy.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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Australian Decliners,<br>
<br>
As a mapper, contributor and member of the project's
sysadmin team I<br>
kindly ask you to please reconsider your declined
status. Time is<br>
about to run out.<br>
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You and others didn't care about us, told us to go away
as we were<br>
insignificant and our issue were unimportant and now you
come begging<br>
for us to reconsider.<br>
<br>
Perhaps the whole license issue should be reconsidered,
after all you<br>
are the one throwing out the baby with the bath water,
you are<br>
choosing to do this, not us, perhaps you should choose
to call the<br>
whole thing off.<br>
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