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Richard<br>
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while IMHO communications in OSM and out of OSM leave much to
desire, in the case of the licence change there has been a
substantial amount of communication to the mappers. The only reason
I can see for you -not- getting a mail from the OSMF early on, is
that you must have practically immediately declined when that became
possible. And I assume the reasoning at that point in time was that
as a decliner you were already informed about the issues and didn't
need the OSMF pointing out something you already knew about.<br>
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Simon <br>
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Am 31.03.2012 04:59, schrieb Richard Colless:
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I did decline the new terms. And I was contacted, as I said, just
once, by someone trying to persuade me to change my mind. My point
was that OSM never contacted me to say that a licence change was
being considered. That is hardly the right way to go about making
a major change to the system.<br>
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I also take issue with this statement:<br>
<pre wrap="">Declining hurts fellow Australian mappers who have in good faith build
data on-top of your contributions and will leave animosity between our
projects.
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Don't try blaming decliners for the hurt to other mappers. If
anyone built up on my edits, and their work gets deleted as a
result, blame OSM, not the members who declined.<br>
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Richard<br>
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On 31/03/2012 12:36 PM, Ian Sergeant wrote:
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cite="mid:CALDa4YJZba93O8oX9wHzdcWtQ+tcup9RNg4KAnhah_hVxc9Qaw@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Hi Richard,<br>
<br>
Like or loathe the licence change, and the manner it has been
pursued, sure. But I really don't think anyone in OSM has tried
to keep the knowledge of the licence change quiet. I think a
fair few people have been trying to get in touch with as many
people as possible.<br>
<br>
I've personally tried contacting Australian contributors
individually who haven't accepted or declined, and who haven't
edited for a while. These are the people who may not be engaged
with the community any longer, and who actually may not know
about the licence change. Did you decline the licence change?
Because if you did, I'd have assumed that you knew about it and
were aware of the discussion, and therefore didn't need to be
contacted.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Ian.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 31 March 2012 09:14, Richard Colless
<span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:firefly@ar.com.au">firefly@ar.com.au</a>></span>
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Thank
you, John. I couldn't have expressed it better.<br>
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Throughout this whole sorry story, I have only ever received
ONE communication form OSM. It was a begging letter asking
me to reconsider. If not for the discussion of the forum, I
would not have even known about the licence change. AI think
that shows how much OSM cares about keeping contributors
informed about changes.<br>
<br>
Richard<br>
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On 31/03/2012 7:43 AM, John Smith wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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March 2012 01:54, Grant Slater<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:openstreetmap@firefishy.com"
target="_blank">openstreetmap@firefishy.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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Australian Decliners,<br>
<br>
As a mapper, contributor and member of the project's
sysadmin team I<br>
kindly ask you to please reconsider your declined
status. Time is<br>
about to run out.<br>
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You and others didn't care about us, told us to go away as
we were<br>
insignificant and our issue were unimportant and now you
come begging<br>
for us to reconsider.<br>
<br>
Perhaps the whole license issue should be reconsidered,
after all you<br>
are the one throwing out the baby with the bath water, you
are<br>
choosing to do this, not us, perhaps you should choose to
call the<br>
whole thing off.<br>
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