<html><body><br />May I suggest one reason why OSM shows so many less localities than officially listed by Geoscience ?<br /><br />A very large number of localities really have nothing to identifty them on site. Maybe a building or two, perhaps a church but in many cases, just a cross road. Not even a sigh to say where you are. No OSM mapper is going to plot such locations and, I'd suggest, its probably appropriate that they don't.<br /><br />A lot of the locations are towns that only existed for a short time and many are ones that never existed, or existed just in the mind of a planner. <br /><br />So the real question might be should such anachronisms find their way into OSM ? <br /><br />David<br /><br /><br /><blockquote><br />----- Original Message -----<br /><div style="width:100%;background:rgb(228,228,228);"><div style="font-weight:bold;">From:</div> "Paul Norman" <penorman@mac.com></div><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">To:</div>"Li Xia" <lisxia1982@gmail.com>, <imports@openstreetmap.org><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</div><talk-au@openstreetmap.org><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</div>Sat, 27 Oct 2012 01:38:30 -0700<br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</div>Re: [talk-au] [Imports] Importing locality names from GeoScience Australia dataset.<br /><br /><br /><div class="WordSection1">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">If you’re considering importing you need to read <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines</a> and make sure that you’ve followed all of the steps before uploading anything else.</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">One of these is talking with the local community, which is why I’ve cc’ed talk-au@ on this message.</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">I would suggest a different source tag. The source tag is for mappers, not for attribution (which is done at <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors</a>). There is some debate as to if you should have source on both the changeset and the objects or just the changeset. If you do decide to have source on the objects, I’d suggest just source=GeoScience Australia DATASET_NAME, with an appropriate value of DATASET_NAME.</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">It’s worth documenting the data source and licensing. I think it’s CC BY which is okay, but it’d be good to have this documented on the wiki.</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">Are all of them place=locality or is it possible to get more detailed tagging?</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">When it’s time to upload JOSM can work if you split the uploads into smaller regions, which is a good idea anyways.</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';"> Li Xia [mailto:lisxia1982@gmail.com] <br /><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 26, 2012 9:49 PM<br /><b>To:</b> imports@openstreetmap.org<br /><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Imports] Importing locality names from GeoScience Australia dataset.</span></p><p></p><p></p></div></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#FFFFFF;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, 'sans-serif';color:#222222;">A quick intro, I'm Li, founder of <a href="http://mud-maps.com/"><span style="color:#1155CC;">mud-maps.com</span></a> </span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#FFFFFF;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, 'sans-serif';color:#222222;">We are currently working on a rendering engine that supports OSM for iOS and after running some number os the Australian OSM data, i've noticed that it's lacking a lot of place names. Comparing OSM data to GeoScience (GA) data, here are some numbers.</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#FFFFFF;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, 'sans-serif';color:#222222;">• place:locality = around 1000 as of 23 Oct 2012.</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#FFFFFF;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, 'sans-serif';color:#222222;">• GeoScience locality = around 20,000.</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#FFFFFF;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, 'sans-serif';color:#222222;">I've extracted the place:locality, hamlet, suburb, violate, town, city data nodes from OSM australia and GA data and ran a name string comparison to eliminate duplicates and would like to upload the difference to OSM.</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#FFFFFF;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, 'sans-serif';color:#222222;">I have 2 questions:</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#FFFFFF;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, 'sans-serif';color:#222222;">1. Can anyone suggest tags other than the following?</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#FFFFFF;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, 'sans-serif';color:#222222;">name:<different></span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#FFFFFF;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, 'sans-serif';color:#222222;">place:locality</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#FFFFFF;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, 'sans-serif';color:#222222;">source: © Commonwealth of Australia (GeoScience Australia) 2006. </span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#FFFFFF;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, 'sans-serif';color:#222222;">2. Using JOSM at the moment and uploads take a while, is there a better way of bulk uploading data? </span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#FFFFFF;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, 'sans-serif';color:#222222;">Look forward to your suggestions.</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
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