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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">"Abandoned" makes it sounds like there
      are tracks in place for the length of the line, just no trains
      running on it. <br>
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      But that's not the case - in the 4km the line used to run on there
      are 11 remaining artifacts, the largest being a station building
      (old North Carlton station), the smallest being a single 4 metre
      track section in Edinburgh gardens, or the one remaining concrete
      pylon base. They are the vestigial traces that need to be mapped.
      As for the rest, it's a mostly a park now with a bike track along
      it (the bits that aren't are houses) ... and that's what it should
      be mapped as.<br>
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      On 30/11/2012 6:23 PM, Mark Rennick wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Matt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
            believe abandoned railway lines should be mapped. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If
            it is necessary to have a current physical feature to
            justify mapping, then the railway formation (cut and fill
            earth works) generally remain, particularly if the railway
            reserve has been retained as a rail trail, road or linear
            park.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                  lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                lang="EN-US"> Matt White [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:mattwhite@iinet.com.au">mailto:mattwhite@iinet.com.au</a>]
                <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Friday, 30 November 2012 7:31 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> 'talk-au'<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Right. So if I delete the mapped rail
            line that doesn't exist, then remap the individual pieces of
            track, the remaining point and weighbridge, three overhead
            pylon mounts, one remaining station and one cutting that
            remains as historical artifacts, then everyone is cool?<br>
            <br>
            If it exists on the ground now, it will get mapped.
            Otherwise, it won't.<br>
            <br>
            Matt<br>
            <br>
            On 29/11/2012 4:46 PM, Paul Norman wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Actually,
              the slope is slippery. People have made it about old
              roads. There are people who have mapped old roads where
              they have been completely developed over and no trace
              remains.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Mapping
              the traces of an old rail line isn’t historical mapping.
              If there are currently traces there then it’s mapping the
              present.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
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                    Steve Bennett [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:stevagewp@gmail.com">mailto:stevagewp@gmail.com</a>]
                    <br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:02 PM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Matt White<br>
                    <b>Cc:</b> talk-au<br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Matt
              White <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:mattwhite@iinet.com.au" target="_blank">mattwhite@iinet.com.au</a>>
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Admin
                    boundaries are a slightly different thing - they may
                    be intangible on the ground, but they are also
                    current. We don't keep historical versions of admin
                    boundaries either<br>
                    <br>
                    The problem with the historical thing is that to my
                    mind, it is a slippery slope. There's a park near me
                    that is currently, well, a park. But I know that it
                    was previously a quarry, and then a rubbish
                    tip/landfill, cos there is a sign saying so. But I
                    certainly wouldn't tag the parks as a quarry or
                    landfill, because it isn't. It's a park....<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    IMHO this slope is not slippery. Every time the "do
                    we map historical stuff" debate comes up, it's
                    always about train lines. That is, we're still at
                    the top of this supposedly slippery slope, waiting
                    to slide down. Somehow, train lines are different.
                    They just are.<br>
                    <br>
                    To reiterate what I said before in different words:
                    we're not mapping "the 1890 route of a long
                    forgotten train line". We're mapping the vestigial
                    traces of a former line. And I'm absolutely not
                    proposing to record any information about when lines
                    opened or closed, or were re-routed or whatever. <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Steve<o:p></o:p></p>
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