<p>Hi.</p>
<p>I think this one is an edge case. I know the sign Ian means, and in my judgement it does not indicate a route.</p>
<p>I think the more common case (that is currently not well defined) is where some other map indicates a route, but there is nothing on the ground to show it. If we map it in OSM, are we copying the map, or mapping a known fact (but one that is only known from the other map)?</p>
<p>Apart from copyright (which is significant here) part of the problem is government bodies (local and state) mapping "optimistically" in that they plan to mark out a route in some way, but didn't actually do it. In general I would say that "map only" routes are not routes in the OSM sense. Possibly they are suggestions.</p>
<p>I think we should not map such routes in OSM due to the copyright issue alone, but at what point does the existence of the map imply the existence of the route?</p>
<p> - Ben Kelley.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 6, 2012 8:49 AM, "Steve Bennett" <<a href="mailto:stevagewp@gmail.com">stevagewp@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Ian Sergeant <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:inas66+osm@gmail.com" target="_blank">inas66+osm@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Generally the case, but not always. My bicycle sign on Parramatta
road being my best example so I'm sticking with it. A cycle route
down a narrow three lane road, carrying trucks who'd soon as take
you out as look at you....</div></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Well, I guess I'm focussed on being alive when I get to B.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
<br></font></span></div></blockquote><div><br>These use cases are handled by routing software making good use of data such as cycleway=lane. Using the lcn/rcn tagging system to mark safety/suitability is simply incorrect. In your example, there's a signed bicycle route - so we map it. To do otherwise would be like not mapping a car park because we don't think people should park there, or not mapping a school because we don't think it's a good one.<br>
<br>Steve<br>
</div></div><br></div>
</blockquote></div>