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"See the recent discussion on this list for town vs city, in the
OSM sense."<br>
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Can you provide a direct link or forward information on this?<br>
<br>
After being told about the maillist, I went looking for
information specific for Australia, and there was only date based
(monthly) archives linked. Unless I indexed the information
myself, there appeared to be no way to search for information at
all.<br>
<br>
Appreciate any guidance you can provide. And apologies for future
questions. About to send in 3...2....1...<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
Darren<br>
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On 20/12/12 21:53, Ben Kelley wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Hi.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Suburb can mean an area bounded by a gazetted
boundary. There is a sense in which town is similar to suburb,
in the sense of how the boundary is defined. I am pretty sure
the UK is different in this regard.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I don't know if West Pymble is a gazetted suburb (I
think yes), but it would then have a boundary. The name you see
is likely a node, possibly placed within the gazetted boundary
for West Pymble, or possibly not.</p>
<p dir="ltr">See the recent discussion on this list for town vs
city, in the OSM sense.</p>
<p dir="ltr"> - Ben.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 20/12/2012 9:35 PM, "Darren Burt" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:burt.darren@gmail.com">burt.darren@gmail.com</a>>
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Hi<br>
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I wrote a long question at OSm help and they referred me to
you guys. Hope you can help me help OSM.<br>
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Hi<br>
<br>
I've been editing around the area, and noticed that the
location of the [suburb][1] is not what I would have called a
reference to West Pymble. I would have called West Pymble the
shopping centre located [here][2]. I note the following with
respect to Sydney:<br>
<br>
a) Cities. There are few 'cities' in comparison, to , eg
California, where I would have compared many cities to be
'suburbs'. It's probably a population thing. There seems to be
a trend towards more cities, (eg Sydney, Parramatta,
Bankstown, Penrith etc) but in general usage, most places are
referred to principally as 'suburbs'.<br>
<br>
b) Towns in general are referring to country centres. If I
'went to town' in Sydney, I would be going to Sydney City
centre, eg Town Hall station. This is in contrast, eg to the
UK, where many of the places I would have referred to as
suburbs were referred to as towns.<br>
<br>
These are probably a historical growth thing. Sydney has
generally expanded organically from a central point.<br>
<br>
c) As a general definition, if somebody referred to just the
suburb, they would refer to the principal activity centre of
that area. In most cases that is the main shopping or
commercial area. Sometimes it might be a train station.
Sometimes something else. But if you drive to the West Pymble
located above, you are in the middle of a residential area.
And here's where things extrapolate.<br>
<br>
**IMPORTANT**<br>
Please refer to this recent article about [Apple Maps in
Australia][3]. My West Pymble example is trivial. However, in
Australia is not just a matter of inconvenience.<br>
<br>
I'd welcome any other Aussies kicking in their opinions as
well. As I said, my example is trivial, but it could turn
wickedly wrong on some of the cattle stations that are [24000
square kms][4] (6m acres). Centre of that (geographically)
could see you 100s or 1000s of kms away from help, and be life
or death.<br>
<br>
I went looking at the definition of suburb and [found][5] that
it refers to the 'centre of the suburb'. It is not clear if
this is meant to be the geographic centre or some other type
of centre. This need clarification.<br>
<br>
Look. I'm new to this editing and everything. I am hoping to
get some clarification on this to help with not just this
suburb, but to provide valuable guidance for other suburbs as
well. I would request an update to the wiki as well to help
clarify this.<br>
<br>
Appreciate your help.<br>
<br>
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[1]: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.756665&lon=151.128885&zoom=18&layers=M"
target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.756665&lon=151.128885&zoom=18&layers=M</a><br>
[2]: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.761018&lon=151.128327&zoom=18&layers=M"
target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.761018&lon=151.128327&zoom=18&layers=M</a><br>
[3]: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.geekosystem.com/apple-maps-australia/"
target="_blank">http://www.geekosystem.com/apple-maps-australia/</a><br>
[4]: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Creek_station"
target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Creek_station</a><br>
[5]: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Suburb"
target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Suburb</a><br>
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