<p dir="ltr">Well done. Thanks for following it up.</p>
<p dir="ltr"> - Ben Kelley</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 25 Jul 2013 16:19, "Alex Sims" <<a href="mailto:alex@softgrow.com">alex@softgrow.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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I've now obtained permission and recorded it at
<a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#South_Australian_Government_data" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#South_Australian_Government_data</a><br>
<br>
This is really very helpful as it allows:<br>
* at least a first pass for filling in "nonames" roads <br>
* geo-referencing Bing photos against property boundaries at least
near the CBD<br>
* accurate Local Government and Suburb boundaries as opposed to ABS
approximations<br>
* more bike lanes, playgrounds, fire stations, ambulance stations
etc. to be included<br>
<br>
I followed a similar path to what was used for <a href="http://data.gov.au" target="_blank">data.gov.au</a>, and
would comment that the day to write seeking permission/clarification
is today as it takes a while, but the outcome is worth it.<br>
<br>
Anyway I'm excited and quite pleased, just wish I had more time for
mapping.<br>
<br>
Alex<br>
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<td>Re: [talk-au] <a href="http://data.sa.gov.au" target="_blank">data.sa.gov.au</a></td>
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<td>Alex Sims <a href="mailto:alex@softgrow.com" target="_blank"><alex@softgrow.com></a></td>
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<div>I'm just writing an email now to seek
a similar agreement for <a href="http://sa.data.gov.au" target="_blank">sa.data.gov.au</a> as for <a href="http://data.gov.au" target="_blank">data.gov.au</a><br>
<br>
Alex<br>
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On 25/05/2013 5:23 PM, Paul Norman wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The
only issue with CC BY is that some data owners believe
that attribution “reasonable to the medium” is more than
the ODbL guarantees which allows “notices in a location …
where users would be likely to look for it” such as a wiki
page linked from /copyright or in the case of produced
works, a “notice … reasonably calculated to make [anyone]
aware that Content was obtained from the Database” (The
“Database” in that quote would be what was provided under
CC BY).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Some
cities releasing data as CC BY insisted that only mention
on any page where the map was viewed was reasonable, which
is clearly unreasonable when there can be dozens of
sources on one page, or even hundreds.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Ian Sergeant [<a href="mailto:inas66+osm@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:inas66+osm@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Daniel O'Connor<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [talk-au] <a href="http://data.sa.gov.au" target="_blank">data.sa.gov.au</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Daniel,<br>
<br>
The first step should be to find out if they are willing
to have their data relicenced under our licence? <br>
<br>
CC-BY data is nice, and means that the data owner is
likely only seeking attribution (which we do provide) but
my understanding is that it is still insufficient for us
to use without further permission from the data owner.
Pointers to our attribution page have worked in the past
in gaining such permission.<br>
<br>
Ian.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 24 May 2013 18:58, Daniel O'Connor
<<a href="mailto:daniel.oconnor@gmail.com" target="_blank">daniel.oconnor@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The SA govt has joined many of the
other state/local governments in publishing open
data. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The current implementation is
powered by CKAN, and though I haven't seen it yet,
appears to be leveraging openstreetmap / cloudmade in
some fashion.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Anyway, the majority of the data
sets are CC-A licensed, and in either CSV or Shapefile
format:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Some initial things that might be
worth importing/using as a reference/looking into:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/major-and-minor-roads" target="_blank">http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/major-and-minor-roads</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/library-locations" target="_blank">http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/library-locations</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/parks-and-reserves" target="_blank">http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/parks-and-reserves</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/sa-playgrounds" target="_blank">http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/sa-playgrounds</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/stormwater-nodes" target="_blank">http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/stormwater-nodes</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/surface-water-catchments" target="_blank">http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/surface-water-catchments</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/suburb-boundaries" target="_blank">http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/suburb-boundaries</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">and of course:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/centrelink-office-locations" target="_blank">http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/centrelink-office-locations</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Not sure how much overlap with <a href="http://data.gov.au" target="_blank">data.gov.au</a> data sets (assume
some).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Anyone want to have a look around
and<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1) Call out the things you think
are missing<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2) Call out the things you'd want
to have imported or manually transcribed into open
street map<u></u><u></u></p>
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