<p dir="ltr">Well done. Thanks for following it up.</p>
<p dir="ltr">  - Ben Kelley</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 25 Jul 2013 16:19, "Alex Sims" <<a href="mailto:alex@softgrow.com">alex@softgrow.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

  

    
  
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    I've now obtained permission and recorded it at 
<a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#South_Australian_Government_data" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#South_Australian_Government_data</a><br>
    <br>
    This is really very helpful as it allows:<br>
    * at least a first pass for filling in "nonames" roads <br>
    * geo-referencing  Bing photos against property boundaries at least
    near the CBD<br>
    * accurate Local Government and Suburb boundaries as opposed to ABS
    approximations<br>
    * more bike lanes, playgrounds, fire stations, ambulance stations
    etc. to be included<br>
    <br>
    I followed a similar path to what was used for <a href="http://data.gov.au" target="_blank">data.gov.au</a>, and
    would comment that the day to write seeking permission/clarification
    is today as it takes a while, but the outcome is worth it.<br>
    <br>
    Anyway I'm excited and quite pleased, just wish I had more time for
    mapping.<br>
    <br>
    Alex<br>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT" nowrap>Subject:
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            <td>Re: [talk-au] <a href="http://data.sa.gov.au" target="_blank">data.sa.gov.au</a></td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT" nowrap>Date: </th>
            <td>Sat, 25 May 2013 21:35:55 +0930</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT" nowrap>From: </th>
            <td>Alex Sims <a href="mailto:alex@softgrow.com" target="_blank"><alex@softgrow.com></a></td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT" nowrap>To: </th>
            <td><a href="mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a></td>
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      <div>I'm just writing an email now to seek
        a similar agreement for <a href="http://sa.data.gov.au" target="_blank">sa.data.gov.au</a> as for <a href="http://data.gov.au" target="_blank">data.gov.au</a><br>
        <br>
        Alex<br>
        <br>
        On 25/05/2013 5:23 PM, Paul Norman wrote:<br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The

              only issue with CC BY is that some data owners believe
              that attribution “reasonable to the medium” is more than
              the ODbL guarantees which allows “notices in a location …
              where users would be likely to look for it” such as a wiki
              page linked from /copyright or in the case of produced
              works, a “notice … reasonably calculated to make [anyone]
              aware that Content was obtained from the Database” (The
              “Database” in that quote would be what was provided under
              CC BY).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Some

              cities releasing data as CC BY insisted that only mention
              on any page where the map was viewed was reasonable, which
              is clearly unreasonable when there can be dozens of
              sources on one page, or even hundreds.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                    Ian Sergeant [<a href="mailto:inas66+osm@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:inas66+osm@gmail.com</a>]
                    <br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:09 AM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Daniel O'Connor<br>
                    <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [talk-au] <a href="http://data.sa.gov.au" target="_blank">data.sa.gov.au</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Daniel,<br>
              <br>
              The first step should be to find out if they are willing
              to have their data relicenced under our licence? <br>
              <br>
              CC-BY data is nice, and means that the data owner is
              likely only seeking attribution (which we do provide) but
              my understanding is that it is still insufficient for us
              to use without further permission from the data owner. 
              Pointers to our attribution page have worked in the past
              in gaining such permission.<br>
              <br>
              Ian.<u></u><u></u></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">On 24 May 2013 18:58, Daniel O'Connor
                <<a href="mailto:daniel.oconnor@gmail.com" target="_blank">daniel.oconnor@gmail.com</a>>

                wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">The SA govt has joined many of the
                  other state/local governments in publishing open
                  data. <u></u><u></u></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">The current implementation is
                  powered by CKAN, and though I haven't seen it yet,
                  appears to be leveraging openstreetmap / cloudmade in
                  some fashion.<u></u><u></u></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Anyway, the majority of the data
                  sets are CC-A licensed, and in either CSV or Shapefile
                  format:<u></u><u></u></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Some initial things that might be
                  worth importing/using as a reference/looking into:<u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/major-and-minor-roads" target="_blank">http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/major-and-minor-roads</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/library-locations" target="_blank">http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/library-locations</a><u></u><u></u></p>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/parks-and-reserves" target="_blank">http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/parks-and-reserves</a><u></u><u></u></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/sa-playgrounds" target="_blank">http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/sa-playgrounds</a><u></u><u></u></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/stormwater-nodes" target="_blank">http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/stormwater-nodes</a><u></u><u></u></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/surface-water-catchments" target="_blank">http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/surface-water-catchments</a><u></u><u></u></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/suburb-boundaries" target="_blank">http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/suburb-boundaries</a><u></u><u></u></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">and of course:<u></u><u></u></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/centrelink-office-locations" target="_blank">http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/centrelink-office-locations</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Not sure how much overlap with <a href="http://data.gov.au" target="_blank">data.gov.au</a> data sets (assume
                  some).<u></u><u></u></p>
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              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Anyone want to have a look around
                  and<u></u><u></u></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">1) Call out the things you think
                  are missing<u></u><u></u></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">2) Call out the things you'd want
                  to have imported or manually transcribed into open
                  street map<u></u><u></u></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
              </p>
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