<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yiv4075914045"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_8724"><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_8723"><div id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5395"><span></span></div> <div id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5681">I'd prefer going with access rather than opening_hours for a couple of reasons:</div><div id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5685"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5680">1. Opening_hours is more geared towards POIs whereas access applies to ways (which is what the wiki entry for opening_hours hints at).</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5680">2. Putting in opening_hours="Closed during Total Fire Ban days" causes the JOSM validator to flag an error; meaning that your tag is only going to last until the next keen JOSM user comes by and "fixes" it.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5680"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5680">So something along the lines of:</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5680"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5680">access:conditional= no @ total_fire_ban ? </div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5680"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5680">Whatever we choose is going to be very Australian specific. In the US it might be something like:</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5680"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5680">access:conditional= no @ red_flag_warning<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5680"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5680">But a red flag warning is not the same thing as a total fire ban so you can't use the same conditional.</div><div class="yiv4075914045qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5584"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div><div class=".yiv4075914045yahoo_quoted"> <div id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5579" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:13px;"> <div id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5578" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv4075914045yqt7701063755" id="yiv4075914045yqt31422"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5583"> <font id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5582" size="2" face="Arial"> On Friday, 25 September 2015, 11:46, Warin <61sundowner@gmail.com> wrote:<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv4075914045y_msg_container" id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5577"><div id="yiv4075914045"><div id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5576">
<div class="yiv4075914045yqt0241686434" id="yiv4075914045yqt61038"><div class="yiv4075914045moz-cite-prefix" id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5581">On 25/09/2015 10:06 AM, Ian Sergeant
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<div class="yiv4075914045gmail_quote" id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5586">On 25 September 2015 at 09:54, Warin
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<blockquote class="yiv4075914045gmail_quote" id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5585" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;">Some
tracks/paths in a NSW National Park now have signs up that
say they are closed during declared Total Fire Ban days.<br clear="none">
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I have tagged these using<br clear="none">
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I think I'll add that to the Australian wiki page.
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<div id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5718">I don't think it fits well with "opening_hours". It's
more a conditional access restriction.</div>
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<div>I'd consider something like</div>
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<div>restriction=total_fire_ban</div>
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<div id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5592">or seek inspiration from <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5591" target="_blank" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conditional_restrictions">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conditional_restrictions</a></div>
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<div id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5717">But if we're capturing the info that's good. We can
refine the tag later..</div>
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<div id="yiv4075914045yui_3_16_0_1_1443160221524_5715">Ian. <br clear="none">
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Hummm ... access:conditional=not_total_fire_ban ? Rather OZ
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Yes .. I did think of access .. and raised both as suggestions on
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The sole reply favoured opening_hours. <br clear="none">
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Both would/should 'work'. <br clear="none">
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However opening_hours is far simpler to enter. Maybe that is because
I have more knowledge of it... ! <br clear="none">
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More thoughts? <br clear="none">
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There is also a seasonal restriction of the use of fire in some
parts of SA .. October to March IIRC and applied to a general area
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I don't see a suitable tag for that .. access open but no fire use
allowed. One can tag the fire places with opening_hours... but that
does not indicate to people not the start a camp fire elsewhere. <br clear="none">
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