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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I am removing my changes that used LPI
data .. I have no faith that the data will remain available. <br>
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I would think that questions would be better placed here or sent
to cleary. <br>
The possibility that numerous people would contact LPI as
participants of OSM may lead LPI to see OSM as not worth engaging
with due to the 'noise' that arises. <br>
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Hopefully the same will not occur with forth coming the Federal
Government release. And that wont be imagery but POI data so maybe
seen as less usefull. <br>
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On 7/12/2015 2:45 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote:<br>
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<div>This conversation is quite scattered now but,<br>
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I've followed up with contact given in your letter (Diana
Stewart) with my concerns and questions. Specifically I've
asked:<br>
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<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px
solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">1.
what does the statement "Where specific licence terms (such
as Creative Commons) are applied to datasets, those licence
terms shall prevail over any inconsistent provisions in this
statement." mean? Because we need these additional
permissions from LPI beyond the scope of the CC license to
be legally binding so that we may use LPI data within
OpenStreetMap. We need this additional permissions from LPI
to prevail over the problematic clauses within the CC
license.<br>
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2. "To ensure consumers are informed of the currency and
accuracy of data, LPI asks that the date of extraction be
marked in red." This requirement is difficult to implement
for us due to the way we would like to use LPI data,
furthermore if implemented it would be misleading. If the
OpenStreetMap community were to include LPI data or derived
data within OpenStreetMap then this would be an ongoing
adhoc inclusion of pieces of LPI data. As such, any single
statement intending to indicated data currency wouldn't be
accurate.<br>
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3. Could you please clarify that "on the 'Contributors' page
of OpenStreetMap" refers to <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australia">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australia</a>
and not <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright">https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright</a><br>
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I've asked this in the context of my pretext:<br>
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<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px
solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">I
am of the understanding that as it currently stands the
Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Australia license (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/au/legalcode"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/au/legalcode">https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/au/legalcode</a></a>)
isn't compatible with the terms we (OpenStreetMap) need for
inclusion of such data or derived data in OpenStreetMap.<br>
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For example the above CC license in clauses
4A(b),4A(e),4B(a) certain notices must be kept intact when
we create new works derived from your CC licensed LPI data.
However, OpenStreetMap has decided that this level of
downstream attribution is too onerous (so for example if
OpenStreetMap included some data from LPI and a 3rd party
web site includes an OpenStreetMap map, that website
shouldn't need to attribute LPI, rather they would only
attribute OpenStreetMap and in tern OpenStreetMap would
attribute LPI).<br>
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Because of this, OpenStreetMap require specific explicit
permission from the copyright owner that such method of
attribution is acceptable since it is unclear if this is
acceptable under the plan CC BY 3.0 AU license.<br>
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Furthermore clause 4B(c) requires identification of changes
made to the original work. This isn't practical for
OpenStreetMap so we require that copyright holders grant us
that we may simply state something such as "in part derived
from...".<br>
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I want to make sure that we have solid legal foundations for
this, and would like to run it by the legal-talk list first for
advice.<br>
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