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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25/01/16 11:58, Ian Sergeant wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi,
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          <div>The road is a vector, representing the road.  It does not
            represent the road centreline. It has properties, such as
            width and lanes, and sidewalks.<br>
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          <div>If the boundary *is* the physical feature, then it is not
            corrupting the data by making it align with the physical
            feature. If the boundary is not the physical feature, then
            don't align it.</div>
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    How do you know it is the physical feature?<br>
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    Just because it follows approximately the feature does not mean it
    is.  When originally gazetted the physical feature may have been
    located differently (roads, railways realigned, rivers making new
    paths)  Don't automatically assume that the feature is still in the
    same place without looking at the imagery or physical survey.  Don't
    assume that the boundary changes to the new position of the road,
    etc.<br>
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          <div>The NSW/Victorian border has been done entirely along the
            riverbank.  Much of it by me and a few others after you guys
            decided to take your bat & ball.  So, I don't believe
            this is actually an issue.  Do you have any examples of
            where this is a concern?</div>
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    No.  It was just an example of were an incorrect assumption had been
    made.<br>
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          <div>Tracing the actual border between NSW/Victorian border
            was actually quite interesting.  You have the gradual
            accretion or divulsion to consider, and it is clear the LPI
            data is not necessarily aligned with what is current.  Most
            of the border that I've traced I'd consider to be more
            current than the LPI data, and I'd certainly want to thrash
            it out before someone started replacing it with yet another
            import. We've had so much ugliness in the past with these
            imported data sets with no follow up.</div>
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    But the border has not changed the river might have but there is no
    change to the border from when it was first surveyed/gazetted.  The
    border is the line as when gazetted, not as where the riverbank is
    now.<br>
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    An example of this is here:<br>
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    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/-36.19879/148.03658">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/-36.19879/148.03658</a><br>
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    Open it in josm then open the nsw imagery, and the nsw basemap and
    you can see where the river was originally and where the border
    runs.<br>
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    Cheers<br>
    Ross<br>
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          <div>This issue doesn't come up too much with property
            boundaries - that are defined independent of the roads.  It
            does come up with rivers and coastline, and other areas
            where the physical feature is what is the boundary.</div>
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    Ian.<br>
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              <div class="gmail_quote">On 25 January 2016 at 11:09, Ross
                <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> In Australia
                    all property boundaries are not the centreline of
                    the road there is always a road reserve as Andrew
                    pointed out.  So simple do not make boundaries the
                    road.<br>
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                    Likewise be very careful assuming the boundary is
                    the centreline of a river.  eg the NSW Victoria
                    border along the Murray River.  If you don't know
                    it's actually the southern river bank.<br>
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                    Realistically with these boundaries if you move them
                    to align with any physical  feature then you are
                    corrupting the data.  Also  if you make the boundary
                    part of a physical feature without checking the full
                    length of the boundary then you are corrupting the
                    data again.<br>
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                    It's really much cleaner and easier to just
                    import/trace the boundary.  If this shows up where a
                    road/railway/whatever should be then trace it from
                    the imagery as a separate way and tag it
                    appropriately.<br>
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                    Cheers<br>
                    Ross
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                        <div>On 25/01/16 08:53, Ian Sergeant wrote:<br>
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                              <div class="gmail_quote">On 25 January
                                2016 at 09:29, Andrew Davidson <span
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                                  <div> The boundaries of the parks and
                                    forests are not going to be roads as
                                    they consist of a number of property
                                    lots that get declared for that
                                    purpose. Property boundaries don't
                                    run down the middle of the road,
                                    they'll be offset (at times the
                                    existing road isn't within the road
                                    reserve anymore).  Property
                                    boundaries can be rivers (bank or
                                    thalweg depending) or the MHWM (also
                                    known as the "coast" in OSM). <br>
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                                <div>If OSM was only a colouring-in
                                  exercise, then this would be
                                  straightforward.</div>
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                                <div>However, roads in OSM are a vector
                                  representation of the road.  And is is
                                  very common for the boundary of an
                                  area to be the road itself, that is
                                  there is no small gap between the area
                                  and the road.</div>
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                                <div>When the boundary of an area *is*
                                  the road, then I think it's entirely
                                  correct to include the ways that make
                                  up the road in the multi-poly that
                                  defines the area. Even though the
                                  vector nature of OSM slightly expands
                                  features that are 2 dimensional when
                                  they are adjacent to features that are
                                  1 dimensional. The data is correct.</div>
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                                <div>Of course, if the boundary isn't
                                  defined by the road, but just happens
                                  to be close to it, then that's
                                  different.</div>
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                                <div>Ian.</div>
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