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    Warin, I agree with you in theory. I almost never camp at a site
    without a toilet because such camp sites are sometimes in a
    disgusting state. However, when mapping, we should not apply our
    particular moral beliefs, fact is lots of people do stay at such
    sites. If its legal and practical to do so, we should so map. We
    should not be trying to enforce our beliefs via OSM. <br>
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    Again, I will remind you that the distinction between tents, camper
    trailers, campers, caravans, mobile homes is one of degree. Pick any
    two spots on that spectrum and I will show you a rig that can fit
    between them. <br>
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    (Sorry I have been out of this discussion for some time, we are away
    camping, down the deep southwest of Tasmania there is very little
    communications ....)<br>
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    David<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/05/17 10:59, Warin wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">The essential difference between
        these 'camping' activities is the provision of a self contained
        toilet. (A shower is then secondary.) <br>
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        Where there is no self contained toilet the occupants then seek
        local relief and that can lead to problems. So that is a mapping
        issue for me. <br>
        One of the reasons why I prefer not to be directed to a 'rest
        area' for a tent site, those without a toilet tend not to
        appeal. <br>
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        Some of the camper trailers are very well equipped .. they would
        need to be from the prices they charge. <br>
        I'd tend to lump them with caravans - they tow behind the
        vehicle. Much like lumping campervans with motorhomes?<br>
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        On 02-May-17 08:59 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr">I don't really think we'd have to differentiate
          between motorhomes & campervans, because really, they are
          the same concept, just different sizes, but crrying on from
          that, & just to throw another level of complication in
          :-), where do camper trailers come into things.
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          <div>For clarification for those who may not be into camping,
            a camper trailer is effectively a tent mounted on top of a
            normal box trailer, that then folds out for use.</div>
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          <div>Under that list, would they be a tent or a caravan? For a
            short stop they don't usually need to be pegged down as a
            tent has to be, but they're also not just a pull up, open
            the door & that's it caravan?</div>
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                  <div>Graeme</div>
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On 30 April 2017 at 10:21, Warin <span
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                .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I have
                raised this on the tagging list to get more people
                involved .. on a European perspective they distinguish
                motorhomes from caravans too ..<br>
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                It looks like;<br>
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                camping=yes (for all)<br>
                camping:caravan=yes/no<br>
                camping:tent=yes/no<br>
                camping:motorhome=yes/no<br>
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                is the way to go?<br>
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                I hesitate to add campervan to that list but I suppose
                it should be added too..<br>
                I can see them asking what the difference is to
                motorhome (what they are built from (bus/truck for
                motorhome, van for campervan) size and toilet/shower are
                ones I would nominate).
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                    On 26-Apr-17 06:17 PM, Warin wrote:<br>
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                      We'll get there. Crossed posts. No rush.<br>
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                      highway=rest_area<br>
                      rest_area:camping=caravan ?<br>
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                      My previous post had :conditional ... and that is
                      wrong.<br>
                      I don't know about applying camp_site tags to rest
                      areas, maybe. Will think on it.<br>
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                      On 26-Apr-17 05:29 PM, David Bannon wrote:<br>
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                        solid;padding-left:1ex"> Hmm, at risk of
                        answering my own question, there is a key,
                        camp_site=* that is intended to apply to
                        tourism=camp_site. Could you apply it to a rest
                        area as well ?<br>
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                        highway=rest_area<br>
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                        camp_site=basic<br>
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                        caravan=yes<br>
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                        tent=no<br>
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                        David<br>
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                        On 26/04/17 17:17, David Bannon wrote:<br>
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                          solid;padding-left:1ex"> On 25/04/17 20:33,
                          Warin wrote:<br>
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                            style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
                            #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Take the
                            respective 'tourism=camp_site' data to
                            'highway=rest_area' with 'caravan=yes'.<br>
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                          Just what will that mean then ?  That a
                          caravan can pull into the rest area ?  We will
                          loose the information that camping is, at
                          least primafacie allowed/practical ?<br>
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                          I don't think thats a good solution, if you
                          then apply it to other states, a disaster (NSW
                          notoriously anti "free camping").<br>
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