<div dir="ltr">Thanks for looking into that for us Simon.<div><br></div><div>As far as I can tell, with my limited legal knowledge, it all appears to be down to interpretations of how CC / OSM on one side, & DNRM on the other, are reading the same document - would that be right? </div><div><br></div><div>Could I ask if you, who understands the legals involved, could contact the people from DNRM directly?</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Thanks<div><br></div><div>Graeme</div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 9 October 2017 at 21:28, Simon Poole <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:simon@poole.ch" target="_blank">simon@poole.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi all</p>
<p>I was on the road the last two weeks so didn't see this thread,
sorry.</p>
<p>(Un-)luckily the situation is completely clear, we need the
waiver as provided here
<a class="m_-5397230004323994544moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3PN5zfbzThqeTdWR1l3SzJVcTg/view" target="_blank">https://drive.google.com/file/<wbr>d/<wbr>0B3PN5zfbzThqeTdWR1l3SzJVcTg/<wbr>view</a>
to be able to use the data in OSM. Even better: you don't even
need to take my word for it, as the text here
<a class="m_-5397230004323994544moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/03/17/use-of-cc-by-data/" target="_blank">https://blog.openstreetmap.<wbr>org/2017/03/17/use-of-cc-by-<wbr>data/</a> was
developed with feedback and input from CC (and I would consider CC
fairly authoritative on matters of their licence). <br>
</p>
<p>The underlying issue is that the ODbL, being pragmatic and
practical, allows on the one hand distribution of the data via DRM
protected means as long as there is a parallel distribution
mechanism available (the more theoretical issue ) and on the other
hand allows for works produced out of the data that are not
databases (for example a map image) to be licensed on essentially
any terms as long as the required is attribution provided.</p>
<p>Simple example: a map image produced from OSM data can be
incorporated in a cinematic production and distributed on a
blu-ray disc or streamed via Netflix with DRM in place. Neither is
possible with derivatives from CC BY licensed material. <br><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
</font></span></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<p>Simon<br>
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<div class="m_-5397230004323994544moz-cite-prefix">Am 01.10.2017 um 08:24 schrieb Andrew
Harvey:<br>
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<div>I made an enquiry to DNRM about this exactly back in June.
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">The response I got was:</div>
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri',sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">We
have given consideration to your request and advise
that, consistent with Queensland Government policy, our
data is provided under a CC:BY 4.0 Licence. The
department will not provide the data under an ODbl
licence. It is our belief that a CC:BY licence is
sufficient for use of our data and we do not accept that
OpenStreetMap cannot use our data under the CC:BY
licence.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri',sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri',sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">If
you have any questions or I can be of any further
assistance please feel free to contact me by any of the
methods below.</span></p>
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<div class="gmail_extra">So in the end I didn't get the waiver
form OSMF requires, yet DNRM believes we can use CC BY 4.0
data in OSM without it, in conflict with what the OSMF says.
I don't feel this is good enough, but I'm not a lawyer so I
left it at that. </div>
<div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto">If anyone can help pick
this up again, I feel we have a good chance of it
happening. </div>
<div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto">DNRM are very responsive
to enquiries like this, which is great. </div>
<div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto">On 1 Oct. 2017 4:50 pm,
"Andrew Harvey" <<a href="mailto:andrew.harvey4@gmail.com" target="_blank">andrew.harvey4@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<div dir="auto">Unfortunately not. CC BY 4.0 data isn't
compatible with the OSM license, see <a href="https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/03/17/use-of-cc-by-data/" target="_blank">https://blog.openstreetmap<wbr>.org/2017/03/17/use-of-cc-by-<wbr>data/</a>
for more details.
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">There is a waiver form at that link
which the copyright holder needs to agree and sign
for CC BY 4.0 data to be used in OSM.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Some Australian agencies have agreed
to this, and others have explicitly not agreed to
this, so it's hit and miss based on the agency.</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<div class="m_-5397230004323994544elided-text">On 1 Oct. 2017 4:29 pm,
"Graeme Fitzpatrick" <<a href="mailto:graemefitz1@gmail.com" target="_blank">graemefitz1@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<div dir="ltr">G'day all
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I've just come across an online Qld topo
map, published by Dept of Natural Resources.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Map is at <a href="http://qtopo.dnrm.qld.gov.au/Mobile/" target="_blank">http://qtopo.dnrm.qld.gov.a<wbr>u/Mobile/</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Also makes reference to copyright being
licensed under CC BY 4.0: <a href="https://www.dnrm.qld.gov.au/legal/copyright" target="_blank">https://www.dnrm.qld.gov.<wbr>au/legal/copyright</a>,
& includes</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"<span>Under this
licence you are free to use this
information in accordance with the licence
terms without having to seek permission
from our department. You must keep the
copyright notice intact and attribute the
State of Queensland as the source of the
material."</span></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial,
sans serif" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:13.3px">Does that mean
we can use it?</span></font></div>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks
<div><br>
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<div>Graeme</div>
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