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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">There can be problems with internet
connectivity for remote communities .. so getting participation
can be difficult. <br>
A local dump of data that can then be used on a server by others
can be very beneficial - reduces the remote network load and
speeds the locals response times. <br>
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Part of 'verifiable on the round' is asking a local.. if it is a
local doing the mapping then they are most of the way there. <br>
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The OSMwiki for local languages ..is
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_names">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_names</a><br>
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On 27-Jan-18 03:08 PM, David Dean wrote:<br>
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<div>And one more thing: At its best OpenStreetMap is about
local mappers mapping what is of interest to them, so we
should be attempting to engage with out local indigenous
community and asking them what their local language is and
what features in OSM (or that we can add to OSM) are important
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<div>Some of this might stretch the 'verifiable on the ground'
rule a little, but I think if there is significant local
knowledge, it is fair game for the map.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 at 14:03 David Dean <<a
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<div dir="ltr">Hey everyone,
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<div>Thanks for the great responses. I'm glad I kicked off
this thread.</div>
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<div>I don't think there is a problem with indicating a
name:aus tag if the local aboriginal name for an
area/feature is known, but you haven't done further
research to find the actual language code applicable.</div>
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<div>However, it should be a goal to update all name:aus
tags to move them to the appropriate real tags based on
the iso639-3 tags. I'm not sure at that stage whether the
name:aus tags would be useful to stay or not. Any ideas?</div>
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<div>I am pushing this myself, as I want to build a
rendering of OSM that is focused on the local indigenous
knowledge across the country, but I guess this means I'm
going to need to do a bit more work to find out the
iso639-3 tags for all indigenous languages in Australia,
and maybe even some idea of what tags are local to what
areas.</div>
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<div>This is clearly not going to be trivial, but what
that's worth doing is? :)</div>
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23:33, David Dean <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>Absolutely. If the more specific language
code is known, it should be used.</div>
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<div>Indeed Tasmania uses a lot of name:xtz eg. <a
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/123026960" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/123026960</a> and <a
href="https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/vql"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/vql</a>,
Uluru uses name:pjt, hopefully there are a lot
more. I think name:aus should only really be
used if you don't know which more specific ISO
code to use.</div>
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07:53, Warin <span dir="ltr"><<a
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the English language ones be recorded as
name:eng=Ayers Rock ?<br>
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think they may be entered as alt_name,
possibly they also should be recorded as
name:eng too (a duplication). <br>
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<div>name:eng and name:en are the same thing
according to <a
href="https://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/langcodes_name.php?code_ID=130"
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<div>The English name of Uluru is Uluru not
Ayers Rock. I'd be in favour of moving Ayers
Rock to the old name. official_name could
still be "Uluru / Ayers Rock" as that's
what's it's officially designated as.</div>
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<div>I'd prefer we didn't use name=Uluru
(Ayers Rocks) and instead just used
name=Uluru as it should be left up to data
consumers how they want to display alternate
names, with Ayers Rock either as old_name or
alt_name.</div>
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