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<p>Have we necessarily exhausted all our options? I only ever asked
DNRM, I know of other dataset from different agencies which is
also CC-BY 4.0.</p>
<p>Also is it really needed to redact all that DCDB stuff? That was
imported back when we had permission right?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/03/18 17:07, Jonathon Rossi
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<div><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;white-space:pre-wrap">I'm glad you mentioned that Ian, because I started looking at what we'd have to "redact" and it is very mixed up with data from DCDB and survey, so we'd loose heaps.</span></div>
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sans-serif" color="#212121"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"><a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=Environment+and+Resource+Management#values" moz-do-not-send="true">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=Environment+and+Resource+Management#values</a></span></font><br>
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color="#212121"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"><a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=dcdb#values" moz-do-not-send="true">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=dcdb#values</a></span></font><br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 5:02 PM Jonathon Rossi
<<a href="mailto:jono@jonorossi.com" moz-do-not-send="true">jono@jonorossi.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks Ian, that makes sense, glad to get a few
more people involved in this discussion.
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<div>With the comment in mind I've amended the text to this
for now:<br>
<div>> The explicit permission granted by the <a
href="http://data.gov.au" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">data.gov.au</a> team (operated
by the Digital Transformation Agency) is no longer
viewed as valid as there is no evidence they had
permission to grant us these rights at that point in
time. Permission to use the following datasets in the
future must be obtained directly from the copyright
owner (2018-03-12).</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 4:59 PM Ian Sergeant
<<a href="mailto:inas66%2Bosm@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">inas66+osm@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">We need the right form of words. I
completely agree we should not rely on <a
href="http://data.gov.au" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">data.gov.au</a> permission for
any new datasets.
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<div>However, I'm not sure we want words that would give
someone justification to go down the redaction path
for existing data sets. We were given permission by
one arm of the government, about data owned by another
arm, and we relied on that in good faith. We stopped
when we had information suggesting anything to the
contrary.</div>
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<div>Ian.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 12 March 2018 at 17:41,
Jonathon Rossi <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:jono@jonorossi.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">jono@jonorossi.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks Andrew, and thanks again for
flagging my use a few months back.
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<div>Can we once and for all publicly note the "<a
href="http://data.gov.au" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">data.gov.au</a>
permission can of worms", even if that is simply
adding to the existing Contributions page text
noting exactly what everyone "in the know" knows
about the problem, OSM contributors shouldn't
have to search the mailing list for this info.</div>
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<div>I've made the following addition to the wiki
page:<br>
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<div>> The explicit permission granted by the <a
href="http://data.gov.au" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">data.gov.au</a> team
(operated by the Digital Transformation Agency)
is no longer viewed as valid as there is no
evidence they had permission to grant us these
rights. Permission to use the following datasets
at any time must be obtained directly from the
copyright owner (2018-03-12).<br>
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<div>If this isn't appropriate, then I'm all ears.</div>
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<div>Thanks again guys even though this isn't the
outcome we wanted.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 3:30 PM
Andrew Davidson <<a
href="mailto:theswavu@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">theswavu@gmail.com</a>>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Yeap, this has
already been covered before:</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><a
href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2017-March/011291.html"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2017-March/011291.html</a><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 12,
2018 at 4:16 PM, Jonathon Rossi <span
dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:jono@jonorossi.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jono@jonorossi.com</a>></span>
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<div> The CC-BY 2.5 attribution was
granted by the <a
href="http://data.gov.au"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">data.gov.au</a>
team not DNRM (or a former named
department), so how relevant/legal
do we think this is now that we know
DNRM's position on the matter who
are the actual copyright owner.</div>
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