<div dir="ltr">It appears so, and they just have a boilerplate response to these types of questions now.<div><br></div><div>Since we are stuck between DNRM and OSMF on CC-BY 4.0 (in no ill way) it would be good to at least clear up the current position so others don't get caught like me. The CC-BY 2.5 attribution was granted by the <a href="http://data.gov.au">data.gov.au</a> team not DNRM (or a former named department), so how relevant/legal do we think this is now that we know DNRM's position on the matter who are the actual copyright owner.</div><div><br></div><div>> [...] We have also been given explicit permission to incorporate and publish such CC-BY licensed geographic coordinate datasets under a free and open license, including the Open Database License, provided that primary attribution is made here and that each dataset used is also listed here in the format Dataset Name, Date Published, License, Agency Name, originally retrieved from <a href="http://data.australia.gov.au">http://data.australia.gov.au</a>:</div><div>> [...]</div><div>> Property Boundaries Annual Extract Queensland (Lite DCDB), unknown publication date, CC-BY 2.5 Australia, Queensland Department of Environment and Resource Management, originally retrieved from <a href="http://data.gov.au/152">http://data.gov.au/152</a> (Archived)<br></div><div><div>(<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Commonwealth_of_Australia">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Commonwealth_of_Australia</a>)<br></div></div><div><br></div><div>> Contains data from Australian government public information datasets. The original datasets are available from the Australian government data website under Creative Commons - Attribution 2.5 Australia (CC-BY) and Creative Commons - Attribution 3.0 Australia (CC-BY). We have also been given explicit permission to incorporate and publish such CC-BY licensed geographic coordinate datasets under a free and open license, including the Open Database License, provided that primary attribution is made here and that each dataset used is also listed here in the format Dataset Name, Date Published, License, Agency Name, originally retrieved from <a href="http://data.australia.gov.au">http://data.australia.gov.au</a></div><div>(<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.gov.au_explicit_permission">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.gov.au_explicit_permission</a>)<br></div><div><br></div><div>Even if we got an older copy of the data (which would still be very useful), we still need explicit permission to use this CC-BY 2.5 data according to OSMF:</div><div><br></div><div>> Both the 2.0 and 3.0 versions of the CC BY (Creative Commons Attribution) licence have been popular with government and other sources for a long time. Due to differences between CC BY and the ODbL with respect to attribution, the LWG (OSMF Licence/Legal Working Group) has always required explicit permission from licensors to use such data in OpenStreetMap and attribute by adding an entry to our attribution pages on our central websites.</div><div>(<a href="https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/03/17/use-of-cc-by-data/">https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/03/17/use-of-cc-by-data/</a>)</div><div><br></div><div>IANAL, but now that we know officially that DNRM won't give it to us on CC-BY 4.0 data they most likely wouldn't give us that permission on the CC-BY 2.x/3.x data either today, we should make changes to the contributions page to reflect that DNRM has not given us permission to incorporate their data. I'm going to revert my recent changes earlier this year which were flagged, but it also means if we come across imported data from the DCDB which there is some I've seen attributed to it, then we should remove it and replace it with something we can derive from another source.</div><div><br></div><div>Jono</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 2:40 PM Joel H. <joelh@cocaine.ninja> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Yeah pretty much, I interpret it as "We will not deviate from
CC-BY 4.0".<br>
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<div class="m_-1865715882332646537moz-cite-prefix">On 12/03/18 14:37, Jonathon Rossi
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<div dir="ltr">Is that (second sentence) word for word the same
response you got the first time, where they thought they'd have
to relicense under the ODbL?<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">P.S. sorry about not replying all with
my last email.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 2:31 PM, Joel
H. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:95.5.radio@gmail.com" target="_blank">95.5.radio@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<p>OK everyone, Here is the feedback I got after asking
for permission to use CC-BY 4.0 datasets:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Thank you for your enquiry regarding use of the
localities boundaries dataset in OpenStreetMap.<br>
The Department has given consideration to your
request and advise that, consistent with Queensland
Government policy, our data is provided under a
CC:BY 4.0 licence. The Department will not provide
the data under an Open Database licence. It is our
belief that a CC:BY licence is sufficient for use of
our data<br>
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12/03/18 14:27, Jonathon Rossi wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Could you please share their
response or paraphrase it so we can all
understand their reasons.
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<div>Thanks, Jono</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 2:24 PM
Joel H. <<a href="mailto:95.5.radio@gmail.com" target="_blank">95.5.radio@gmail.com</a>>
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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I tried again, and got rejected again. I
had contact with someone behind a local
GIS company who said he would try to help.
But I haven't heard back. So I've put it
to rest for now...<br>
</p>
<p>I guess we should advocate for more
compatibility with CC-BY 4.0 in our
licence.<br>
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12/03/18 13:35, Jonathon Rossi wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Joel,
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<div>Did you get a response from DNRM?
Are you still in talks with them?</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at
10:07 PM Jonathon Rossi <<a href="mailto:jono@jonorossi.com" target="_blank">jono@jonorossi.com</a>>
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<div>Great to hear Joel, I was
actually wondering last night if
you'd already sent this off.</div>
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<div>I'm not an expert in this area
so happy for others to correct me,
however my reading of your
description of the second section
that DNRM needs to waive doesn't
explain to someone not familiar
with what we are requesting, I
think DNRM staff are likely to
think this is still too hard and
push back yet again. I like <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/d/df/NSW_GNB_170427_OpenStreetMap.pdf" target="_blank">Andrew
Harvey's description here</a> of
both sections including the
extended part of section 2, maybe
he will give permission to use his
description.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regarding who has signed the
waiver:</div>
<div>- According to the contributors
page for <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.brisbane.qld.gov.au_explicit_permission" target="_blank">BCC</a> it
appears they haven't signed the
waiver because it didn't exist
until early 2017 but it appears
they gave explicit permission to
incorporate and publish their
CC-BY data under an ODbL, more
than the waiver requires<br>
</div>
<div>- The explicit permission from
NSW Land and Property Information
sounds the same as the BCC one
giving more permission than OSMF
now needs<br>
</div>
<div>- The NSW Geographical Name
Register have <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/d/df/NSW_GNB_170427_OpenStreetMap.pdf" target="_blank">signed
the waiver</a></div>
<div>- Victoria DELWP have <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/e/ed/Vicmap_CCBYPermission_OSM_Final_Jan2018_Ltr.pdf" target="_blank">signed
the waiver</a></div>
<div>- SA and MRWA seem to have
explicitly agreed with the same
sort of thing BCC and NSW LPI did</div>
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<div>I don't know if there was
some sort of informal/old waiver
or explicit permission template
because the older ones are
pretty similar, they obviously
aren't explicit about Section
2(a)(5)(B) though. If that is
the case I'd amend your list of
who has signed the waiver, maybe
even consider linking to the NSW
GNR and Victoria DELWP signed
waivers proving the claim.</div>
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<div>Hope that helps, Jono</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Feb 1,
2018 at 9:09 PM Joel H. <<a href="mailto:95.5.radio@gmail.com" target="_blank">95.5.radio@gmail.com</a>>
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<p>Hi All! I have made a
response to DNRM,
regarding the licensing
for locality boarders.
Please give a critique
before I send!<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><i>Hello [NAME],</i><i><br>
</i><i><br>
</i><i>Thank you for
your time and
consideration
regarding the approval
for OpenStreetMap.</i><i><br>
</i><i><br>
</i><i>As a response to
your concern over the
licence change, it
isn’t necessary for
DNRM data to be
re-licenced as a
result of usage in
OpenStreetMap. It’s
simply about signing a
waiver to clarify
minor differences in
licences. Approving
usage in OSM shouldn’t
tamper with the goals
of DNRM since OSM uses
a very similar licence
with many of the same
philosophical views.</i><i><br>
</i><i><br>
</i><i>The first part
that needs approval is
whether or not you
think our method of
Attribution, is
sufficient with the
“reasonable manner”
requirement of the
CC-BY 4.0. We credit
sources through the
following page: <a class="m_-1865715882332646537m_26558026673906578m_-8622631802656532159m_757410680935543674m_-8501875726109946626moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors</a>,
It’s also possible to
add sources to the
objects which are
DNRM’s data.</i><i><br>
</i><i><br>
</i><i>The second is to
waive Section
2(a)(5)(B) of the CC</i><i><br>
</i><i>BY 4.0 license as
to OpenStreetMap and
its users with the
understanding that</i><i><br>
</i><i>the Open Database
License 1.0 requires
open access or
parallel distribution
of</i><i><br>
</i><i>OpenStreetMap
data.</i><i><br>
</i><i><br>
</i><i>Many
organisations such as
Brisbane City Council
and New South Wales
Land and Property
Information, have
already given
permission in the same
way that DNRM could.</i><i><br>
</i><i><br>
</i><i>I hope you take
the time to
reconsider. I’ve
attached the PDF that
is needed for your
review, keep in touch.</i><i><br>
</i><i><br>
</i><i><br>
</i><i>Joel Hansen</i><i><br>
</i><i>Local
OpenStreetMap Editor</i><br>
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