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<pre>Many church names in Australia have names containing 'Saint' followed by a persons name these are are commonly abbreviated 'St'.</pre>
<pre>I expand these out to Saint. I think that is correct in the English language. </pre>
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I don't think the alt_name should carry the abbreviation, nor an expanded version. </pre>
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For St Leonards .. there are two Saint Leonards </pre>
<pre>Saint Leonard of Port Maurice 1676-1751</pre>
<pre>Saint Leonard of Noblac -559</pre>
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Saint Peter is well known ... well one of them at least. :) </pre>
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---------------- Following a UK example? </pre>
<pre>Having a bet both ways ? In the UK a search on St Leonard lead me to
Node: Drayton Saint Leonard (21268304) - Saint - centre of the place.</pre>
<pre>Relation: Drayton St. Leonard (1864544)- St. - parish boundary.
Yes these are both the same area.
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So .. for the suburbs/towns/villages at least it can be done both ways .. without using alt_name. </pre>
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On 29/06/18 17:31, Michael wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
usage of Saint “Name” is wrong in the English language and
should not be used.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
only time you use that notation is when you write about the
person specifically.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Also
in French Saint “Name” is acceptable just to be confusing,
but this about Australian names and they should all be
English (Unlike Canada)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">What
we might have to consider is that in indexing you use S<b>a</b>int
not S<b>t</b>, do we need to have it explicitly in the
tagging (ie alt_name) or is this the responsibility of the
renderer to work out?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Michael<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> Nemanja Bračko <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:brackone@gmail.com"><brackone@gmail.com></a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 29 June 2018 5:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:philip@philipmallis.com">philip@philipmallis.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org">talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [talk-au] Road name abbreviation
exception?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">Hi!<br>
The easiest way is to add alt_name with abbreviation.
Also if community agrees, it is possible to put
abbreviation in the name tag (because of rendering name
on the map), but use "Saint" as alt_name.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Regrads,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 5:18 AM Philip
Mallis <<a href="mailto:philip@philipmallis.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">philip@philipmallis.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It depends on the context. St Kilda
in Melbourne is another example where that is used
instead of 'Saint'.<br>
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Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 29 Jun 2018, at 10:28, cleary <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">osm@97k.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In
New South Wales, the Geographic Names Board
register shows the Sydney suburb Mount Druitt
(no abbreviation) while the adjacent suburb is
St Marys (always St and never Saint). The same
applies to places named St Peters and St
Leonards. Using the word "Saint" would not
accord with the places' official names. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
understand there is a tendency to remove
sectarian references so that "St" can be
pronounced as the speaker wishes and is not
necessarily "Saint".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jun 29, 2018, at 5:21
AM, Nathan Ginther (Insight Global Inc) wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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class="m-7028822469871276904size">Hello all,
our team has come into an interesting
situation regarding road name abbreviations,
we know that as a policy we spell out any and
all abbreviations on the OSM map, however it
looks like we may have run into an exception
in the use of “Saint vs St” (<a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Invalid_Abbreviation_Expansion"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Invalid_Abbreviation_Expansion</a>).
It looks like the use of “St” instead of
spelling out “Saint” is accepted within the
mapping community, and might be the proper
English spelling, but we want to get the
response from the community as what is the
accepted/preferred use when naming roads
specifically, should we be spelling out Saint,
or using St?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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