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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The usage of Saint “Name” is wrong in the English language and should not be used.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The only time you use that notation is when you write about the person specifically.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Also in French Saint “Name” is acceptable just to be confusing, but this about Australian names and they should all be English (Unlike Canada)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>What we might have to consider is that in indexing you use S<b>a</b>int not S<b>t</b>, do we need to have it explicitly in the tagging (ie alt_name) or is this the responsibility of the renderer to work out?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Michael<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Nemanja Bračko <brackone@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 29 June 2018 5:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> philip@philipmallis.com<br><b>Cc:</b> talk-au@openstreetmap.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [talk-au] Road name abbreviation exception?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'></span><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'>Hi!<br>The easiest way is to add alt_name with abbreviation. Also if community agrees, it is possible to put abbreviation in the name tag (because of rendering name on the map), but use "Saint" as alt_name.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'>Best Regrads,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'>Nemanja<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 5:18 AM Philip Mallis <<a href="mailto:philip@philipmallis.com">philip@philipmallis.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It depends on the context. St Kilda in Melbourne is another example where that is used instead of 'Saint'.<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 29 Jun 2018, at 10:28, cleary <<a href="mailto:osm@97k.com" target="_blank">osm@97k.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>In New South Wales, the Geographic Names Board register shows the Sydney suburb Mount Druitt (no abbreviation) while the adjacent suburb is St Marys (always St and never Saint). The same applies to places named St Peters and St Leonards. Using the word "Saint" would not accord with the places' official names. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I understand there is a tendency to remove sectarian references so that "St" can be pronounced as the speaker wishes and is not necessarily "Saint".<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Jun 29, 2018, at 5:21 AM, Nathan Ginther (Insight Global Inc) wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=m-7028822469871276904size>Hello all, our team has come into an interesting situation regarding road name abbreviations, we know that as a policy we spell out any and all abbreviations on the OSM map, however it looks like we may have run into an exception in the use of “Saint vs St” (<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Invalid_Abbreviation_Expansion" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Invalid_Abbreviation_Expansion</a>). It looks like the use of “St” instead of spelling out “Saint” is accepted within the mapping community, and might be the proper English spelling, but we want to get the response from the community as what is the accepted/preferred use when naming roads specifically, should we be spelling out Saint, or using St?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u>_______________________________________________</u><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Talk-au mailing list<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0563C1'>Talk-au@openstreetmap.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0563C1'>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-au mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-au mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>