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<p>Hi cleary (and everyone),</p>
<p>This is excellent news, I wasn't aware of this. I think this is
great and would be interested in importing Queensland's</p>
<p>My first though is to add a fixme notice (in similar fashion to
the NSW import), that tells us to reconsider the place label node
already in OSM, and to integrate it with the boundary data.</p>
<p>I'm going to check the shapefiles, but in the meantime, what
other considerations need to be made?</p>
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<p>--Joel<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">A month ago, we celebrated the
news that OSM now has approval to use the PSMA Administrative
Boundaries and there was some discussion, including the need for
a proper import process. I am willing to start adding some
boundaries in areas with which I am familiar/interested but I am
waiting for the proper import process to be determined. I am not
aware if anything has been done in regard to a plan to import
this data. If so, please guide me. If not, I propose the
following:<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Individual mappers download most
recent data from <a
href="https://data.gov.au/dataset/psma-administrative-boundaries"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://data.gov.au/dataset/psma-administrative-boundaries</a>
and add/check data in their areas of interest and/or when they
have time. (Andrew Harvey has provided a script <span
class="text-gray-dark mr-2">to assist working with PSMA
Administrative Boundaries Data</span> and there is a link on <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Data_Catalogue"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Data_Catalogue</a>)<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Administrative boundaries in NSW,
SA, VIC and ACT be modified instance-by-instance if there are
discrepancies that require updating. Where there are
discrepancies, the most recent data is usually preferred . If
there are concerns about accuracy of the most recent data,
further consultation with other mappers or relevant government
boundary authorities would be appropriate.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">In QLD, WA, TAS and NT : LGA and
Suburb/Locality boundaries be added one at a time, integrating
with existing data where appropriate. Previous data from
unauthorised sources be deleted or the authorised source be
added if the data is accurate.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">LGA Boundaries continue to be
tagged as admin_level=6<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Suburb/Locality boundaries be
tagged as admin_level=10<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">In both instances
source=PSMA_Admin_Boundaries_August_2018 <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">(or whichever date is applicable
to the most recent data being used)<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">This source information may seem
unwieldy but provides accuracy and completeness of information.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Administrative boundaries NOT be
attached to other ways such as creeks, rivers, roads, etcetera
so that the other features can be modified as needed without
affecting the administrative boundaries which are generally
static.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Multiple administrative boundaries
(including national_parks and government approved
protected_areas or state forests) be mapped on a single way,
where appropriate, and with multiple relations attached to that
single way i.e. a single way could form the boundaries for
localities, LGAs and a national park, if appropriate in the
particular location.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Electoral boundaries NOT be added
at this time.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Other boundaries which have been
discussed, such as regions and indigenous areas, NOT be added as
part of this particular project unless they are LGAs or
Suburbs/Localities (some indigenous areas may be identified as
protected areas or defined localities or LGAs, in which case
they are added and identified on that basis). Mapping of regions
could be further discussed separately if required. They are
usually not defined by legislation and therefore usually not
"administrative" in the way that LGAs and Suburbs/Localities are
legislated.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Comments and feedback, please.<br>
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<div>On Fri, Aug 31, 2018, at 4:23 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote:<br>
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<div>The Department of Industry,
Innovation and Science which
manages <a
href="http://data.gov.au"
moz-do-not-send="true">data.gov.au</a>
have just completed the OSMF CC BY
waiver allowing the PSMA
Administrative Boundaries[1] to be
used within OpenStreetMap[2].<br>
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<div>Quoting their email, "The
Australian Government received
great encouragement from PSMA
Australia Limited to make the AB
[Administrative Boundaries] data
more accessible. Many thanks to
OSM for your ongoing global open
data efforts."<br>
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<div>Others more active in working
with admin boundaries in OSM might
be able to comment further on my
analysis, but I've taken a look at
the current OSM data from a planet
extract[3], using osmium tool to
extract administrative
boundaries[4]:<br>
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<div> osmium tags-filter
australia-latest.osm.pbf
nwr/boundary=administrative -o
osm-admin-boundaries.osm.pbf<br>
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<div>Then converted to GeoPackage to
open in QGIS to compare to PSMA
boundaries:<br>
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<div> ogr2ogr -f GPKG
osm-admin-boundaries.gpkg
osm-admin-boundaries.osm.pbf<br>
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<div>The admin_level values for
Australia are defined as[5]:<br>
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<div>3 n/a<br>
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<div>4 State or Territory<br>
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<div>5 n/a (but used in Victoria for
regions[6])<br>
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<div>6 Local Government Area (eg
Shire/Council)<br>
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<div>7 District or Region (e.g
Perthshire, Fitzroy, Canning,
Greater Sydney, Greater Melbourne,
etc.)<br>
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<div>8 Postcode<br>
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<div>9 Suburb and Locality<br>
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<div>10 Suburb and Locality<br>
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<div>(not sure why the split across
9 and 10...? but it looks like no
data for 9 and all
suburb/localities are marked as
10, a seperate discussion but
perhaps they should be 9 and
smaller neighbourhoods be in 10?)<br>
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<div>PSMA Admin Boundaries provide
(for Australia wide Shapefiles see
[7] built from [8])<br>
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<div>Commonwealth Electoral
Boundaries (I don't think should
be included in OSM)<br>
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<div>State Electoral Boundaries (I
don't think should be included in
OSM)<br>
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<div>State Boundaries<br>
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<div>Local Government Areas<br>
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<div>Suburbs / Localities<br>
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<div>Town Points<br>
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<div>Wards<br>
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<div>admin_level 6 LGAs<br>
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<div>It looks like NSW, VIC have
complete LGA coverage already
aside a few minor differences, but
NT is patchy and TAS, QLD, WA are
almost non-existent (ACT doesn't
really have LGAs it's all managed
by the Territory). SA is missing a
few LGAs which exist in the PSMA
data.<br>
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<div>admin_level 7 is a mixed bag,
but the PSMA data won't help here<br>
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<div>suburbs/localities<br>
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<div>NSW, VIC, SA all have pretty
much complete data in OSM but
there are a number of differences
with the PSMA data which should
warrent investigation and
correction.<br>
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<div>ACT I think has good existing
data (in the PSMA data in
suburb/localities there are both
levels, eg. Canberra Centre and
Parkes), but the districts have a
slightly different name format.<br>
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<div>All other states are empty in
OSM.<br>
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<div>Keeping in mind that we have
state data for admin boundaries in
VIC (VicMap), NSW (Spatial
Services), ACT (ACTmapi) and SA (<a
href="http://data.sa.gov.au"
moz-do-not-send="true">data.sa.gov.au</a>)
already.<br>
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<div>So there does appear to be a
lot of data missing in OSM, which
licensing wise we could bring in
to OSM. So I guess the question is
should we and how should we do
that. Is anyone interested in
working on this? If people are, I
think it should go through the
proper import process (discuss
first, identify the process and
then execute).<br>
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<div>[1] <a
href="https://data.gov.au/dataset/psma-administrative-boundaries"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://data.gov.au/dataset/psma-administrative-boundaries</a><br>
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<div>[2] <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Department_of_Industry_Innovation_and_Science_ODbl_permission_Administrative_Boundaries.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Department_of_Industry_Innovation_and_Science_ODbl_permission_Administrative_Boundaries.pdf</a><br>
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<div>[3] <a
href="http://download.openstreetmap.fr/extracts/oceania/"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://download.openstreetmap.fr/extracts/oceania/</a><br>
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<div>[4] <a
href="https://osmcode.org/osmium-tool/manual.html#filtering-by-tags"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://osmcode.org/osmium-tool/manual.html#filtering-by-tags</a><br>
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<div>[5] <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative#10_admin_level_values_for_specific_countries"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative#10_admin_level_values_for_specific_countries</a><br>
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<div>[6] <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_Victoria"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_Victoria</a><br>
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<div>[7] <a
href="https://tianjara.net/data/psma-admin-bdys/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://tianjara.net/data/psma-admin-bdys/</a><br>
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<div>[8] <a
href="https://github.com/andrewharvey/psma-admin-bdys-data"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/andrewharvey/psma-admin-bdys-data</a><br>
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