<div dir="ltr">Warin,<div><br></div><div>I agree with your point about being able to tag the turn restrictions, and the solid white line.</div><div><br></div><div>I think the main issue is that the node where the ways diverge is a significant distance from where the line become solid. If fact, the node is near the beginning of the dashed line.</div><div><br></div><div>If the divergence of the ways was placed nearer to the commencement of the solid white line, this would maintain the ability to implement turn restrictions, and clean up the intersection. Lane tagging is also recommended, prior to the divergence of the ways, so that supporting navigation aids can advise the driver appropriately.</div><div><br></div><div>Does this work for you, Petra/Telenav?</div><div><br></div><div>Also, Petra, your image of the WA intersection is more in-line with what I believe should be mapped in that instance, and is in line with my earlier comments.</div><div><br></div><div>Does anyone else have further suggestions on the Canberra intersection?</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>JohnB</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 8:53 AM Warin <<a href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>It is my understanding that marked "turn right only
lanes" are not cause to create divergent ways. These
should be tagged using the "lanes" key as per <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:lanes" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:lanes</a></div>
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<div>Creating divergent ways is considered "Tagging for the
renderer" as the documented separation is not physically
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I disagree. But then I could be wrong. <br>
In the second (Canberra) example:<br>
Where a solid line exists between the two groups of lanes there is a
'legal barrier' that you cannot legally cross between the two groups
of lanes (2 go right and 2 continues<br>
straight on). <br>
Using the tag lanes does not convey this 'legal barrier'. <br>
Also using the tag lanes how can the turn restrictions that exist be
tagged, the right 2 must turn right and the left 2 must go straight
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<div>The first one, in WA, appears less of an issue to me.
Perhaps the separation nodes could be closer to where the
ways actually diverge, somewhere around the mid-point of
the dashed lines, rather than at the start of them.</div>
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<div>The second one, near Canberra, has clearly diverged
ways most of the way along the bridge.</div>
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<div>This intersection in Melbourne could potentially serve
as an example:</div>
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<div>Where there are actual medians between lanes, the ways
separate, otherwise, they do not.</div>
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<div>Hope I haven't spoken out of turn. The views expressed
above are my understanding of the guidelines with respect
to mapping what is actually there.</div>
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Subject: Re: [talk-au] Editing road geometry Australia<br>
To: Petra Rajka - (p) <<a href="mailto:petra.rajka@telenav.com" target="_blank">petra.rajka@telenav.com</a>><br>
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Petra Rajka - (p) <<a href="mailto:petra.rajka@telenav.com" target="_blank">petra.rajka@telenav.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m Petra and I am
part of the mapping team at Telenav.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Since January we
started to work on road geometry in
Canberra, Perth and Melbourne and we
came across some intersections where
roads (turn lanes) are mapped separately
even where there is no physical divider
or chevron markings.</p>
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<div>Sorry, Petra, but you've got me, at least,
a bit confused?</div>
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certainly appears to show traffic islands
(better view with Esri Clarity)</div>
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has marked "turn right only" lanes.</div>
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<div>Sorry, can't see a problem with either of
them, unless you're looking at something I'm
not seeing? :-)</div>
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