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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/04/19 08:02, Ian Sergeant wrote:<br>
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Hi Sebastian,<br>
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Thanks for your thoughts. I'm sure we're all well intentioned.<br>
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If I understand your proposal, what you're saying is we build a
wiki page that lists the relevant authority and what should not
be mapped in that area. Then a local mapper would check against
that when mapping significant local features?<br>
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So that raises two issues I see.<br>
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Firstly, since it's defined in the negative it relies on someone
seeking out the local authority and recording their wishes.
Rather than imposing a positive obligation to seek permission.
In that way it seems a little different to what others seem to
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Secondly, we may end up with a wiki page with the areas and
significant features all laid out. Which may be counter to what
we're trying to achieve here.<br>
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Usually it will be a large area - many square kilometres rather than
a small area. <br>
The name of the 'tribe' should be enough for 'local' mappers to
determine the area, some areas overlap which is a problem as you
would need permission from both. <br>
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Ian.<br>
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From: Sebastian S.<br>
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Sent: Thursday, April 4, 8:57 PM<br>
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Subject: Re: [talk-au] Aboriginal art sites<br>
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To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org">talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a>, Graeme Fitzpatrick, Ian Sergeant<br>
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Cc: OSM-Au<br>
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I second that the elders wishes should be respected.<br>
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With regards to documenting.<br>
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One way would be to mark the local indigenous area/tribe/... And
then outline in the wiki what should not be mapped in order to
respect the wishes. I recall a recent blog post or Diary entry
regarding indigenous communities mapping.<br>
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In a sense this falls in the same category as 'I don't want my
backyard shed or pool mapped from satellite images'. Although
the cultural aspects are not the same :-)<br>
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In some areas backyard pools can form a significant fire fighting
resource .. and there is some merit in mapping them. Usually the
pool owner signifies permission for this by placing a small sign at
the property entrance that fire fighters can see. <br>
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On 3 April 2019 8:17:25 am AEDT, Graeme Fitzpatrick
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:graemefitz1@gmail.com"><graemefitz1@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 at 20:27, Ian Sergeant <<a
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How do we actually contact "local elders"?<br>
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Would have to be done "on the ground" in that local area<br>
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Where do we record their consent?<br>
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Possibly in Notes? Maybe the Oz Data Catalogue page <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue"
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similar?<br>
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What if they change their minds?<br>
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Then I think we would need to delete the entries, similar to
the way that you can request your premises not be shown on
Google Maps. I have seen a comment on the Tagging list that
some town in the US requested that all it's minor streets be
deleted from all online maps to prevent rat-runners from
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Are we saying other mappers should delete these sites if
they see them on the map? How do they know if approval was
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I would hope that people have done things "properly". As
mentioned though, if the site is advertised / signposted, then
it's fine to map. But if you're walking in the Kimberley &
find a cave full of paintings, then you should ask for
approval before mapping them. This was discussed a while back
about mapping a track up in that area, but I can't find the
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is this form of censorship practised anywhere else in OSM -
maybe for other indigenous people - that we could copy their
model? <br>
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I don't know? I'll post the question on the Tagging list.<br>
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P.S. It's Strait - not "Straight".<br>
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Thanks! Corrected :-) <br>
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Thanks <br>
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