<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>With respect to gardens within gardens, you raise a good point as a devil's advocate there... as a counterpoint though; if I was designing a map of botanic gardens using OSM, I think it would be reasonable to assume or even expect that most botanic gardens would have a series of smaller gardens associated with them. Would it be smarter for our hypothetical botanical garden map-maker to design their tools to look at each area's garden:type and garden:style keys (assuming either is, present, accurate and correct?) I'm not saying it wouldn't happen, but I'd assume it would be very unusual for an area tagged with garden:type=botanical to contain a second area also sharing that tag, whereas you'd probably expect to see examples of areas that could be tagged with garden:style=french, garden:type=show_garden, garden:type=arboretum or garden:style=rosarium inside of a botanical garden.<br><br>(apologies Andrew as well, I think I sent this to you twice, my mailinglist-fu is a little unrefined.)</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 3:47 PM Andrew Harvey <<a href="mailto:andrew.harvey4@gmail.com">andrew.harvey4@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>One issue is this same tag leisure=garden is being used for both individual gardens and the whole garden grounds. For example the "Royal Botanic Gardens" in Sydney has a number of smaller named gardens like the "Rose Garden", "Herb Garden" etc. Someone building an app for these gardens might want to know which are the higher level gardens which probably have a website, contact number, etc. and the individual gardens inside. Currently you'd just need to guess based on the geometry being inside another.</div><div><br></div><div>The advantage of tagging as leisure=park is that you no longer have an issue with the tag being used for two diferent things.</div><div><br></div><div>On the other hand if I'm building a map I might want to render a flower icon for "gardens" and maybe a tree for a park. If we tag "Royal Botanic Gardens" as a park, I can't distinguish these gardens from a regular park.</div><div><br></div><div>There's always going to be a fair amount of overlap, some gardens will have open spaces for leisure more like a park like <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3744999#map=16/-33.8628/151.2169" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3744999</a> and some parks will have some small gardens as part of the park like <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/19603604" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/19603604</a>, where you draw the line is always going to be uncertain.</div><div><br></div><div>I still think Royal Botanic Gardens is more a garden than a park, because of the amount of work that goes on there towards maintaining the actual gardens, this is it's primary function. The fact that you could use a clearing to kick a ball around (more like a park) I think is a secondary function.</div></div></div>
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