<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 at 13:31, Herbert.Remi via Talk-au <<a href="mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org">talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><p style="background-position:0% 0%;background-repeat:repeat;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)"># Discussion F: landuse=residential</span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="background-position:0% 0%;background-repeat:repeat;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)">## The Issue</span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="background-position:0% 0%;background-repeat:repeat;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)">I am very interest in improving quality and consistency. In this case, the question is inconsistent or incomplete? I have discovered that many residential areas have still not been mapped.</span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="background-position:0% 0%;background-repeat:repeat;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)">### Specifics: landuse=residential</span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="background-position:0% 0%;background-repeat:repeat;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)">There is a land usage type with the tag RESIDENTIAL. It shows as dark grey (Mapnik) or brown (HikeBikeMap) on the maps. For both Mapnik and HikeBikeMap, the blank areas are shown in light grey. There is a preset for it in the editors. It is shown as a distinct yellow in the ID editor. </span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="background-position:0% 0%;background-repeat:repeat;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)">### The problem is incomplete</span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="background-position:0% 0%;background-repeat:repeat;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)">I have audited the land use in the ACT. Only about half of the residential areas in the ACT have currently been mapped, and the other half have not. Is this inconsistent or incomplete? Is the glass half-full or half-empty? Has this become the standard or is it the exception?</span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="background-position:0% 0%;background-repeat:repeat;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)">I think we should define it as the standard and try to get the other suburbs up to scratch. It is easy to do. Some suburban areas where the have been already mapped. The areas are visible on the satellite photos. </span></span></span></span> </p></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><p style="background-position:0% 0%;background-repeat:repeat;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)">### The problem of inconsistent</span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="background-position:0% 0%;background-repeat:repeat;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)">It is possible to see on the map that "people live there" (landuse=residential) without drawing all the houses (building=house) on the map. There are some suburbs in Canberra where every house has been traced onto the map: see Wanniassa and Oxley in Canberra’s south: </span></span><a style="background:transparent;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;color:rgb(74,110,224)" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=-35.4066&mlon=149.0796#map=15/-35.4066/149.0796" target="_blank"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(74,110,224)">https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=-35.4066&mlon=149.0796#map=15/-35.4066/149.0796</span></span></a></span></span><br></p><p style="background-position:0% 0%;background-repeat:repeat;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)">This exceeds the scope of what can be done with the approximate 24 mappers that work in the ACT. Some developers do this already but the ACT Suburban Land Agency (<a href="https://suburbanland.act.gov.au/en/" target="_blank">https://suburbanland.act.gov.au/en/</a>) is not one of them. They only sell the blocks, not build the houses. It makes sense to map buildings for every government building and office building. I don’t care if my house is on the map. </span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="background-position:0% 0%;background-repeat:repeat;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)">### Limiting the scope</span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="background-position:0% 0%;background-repeat:repeat;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)">The ACT government has prescribed that the ACT Suburban Land Agency will build for the coming four financial years 6588, 12261, 10000, 15000 mixed-use dwellings. Where do you stop zooming in? On ACTmapi Images 2019 you can see the mirror on a motor vehicle. Whether every garden shed should be map is otherwise very questionable. Street numbering can be done otherwise. (Street numbering in Canberra is woeful.) </span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="background-position:0% 0%;background-repeat:repeat;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)">### Definition of the scope</span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="background-position:0% 0%;background-repeat:repeat;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)">I would say landuse=residential is generally all that is required as a minimum requirement.</span></span></span></span></p></blockquote><div><br></div><div>^ If you'd like to see residential landuse mapped then please contribute it by editing.</div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 at 13:52, Warin <<a href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>On 30/09/19 13:30, Herbert.Remi via
Talk-au wrote:<br>
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<p style="background-position:0% 0%;background-repeat:repeat;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)"><font size="+3">I have not
had the time to review OSM Wiki on this,</font>
unfortunately. What I have seen in the editor is that
some mappers have mapped the whole suburb with one
polygon, while others have mapped every city block. The
latter sort of makes sense as land is released for
auction, city blocks at a time. The suburbs are built in
stages (four for Whitlam). Each stage is sold
separately. Sill other mappers have used a hybrid
approach, somewhere in between these two options. </span><br>
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<p style="background-position:0% 0%;background-repeat:repeat;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)">QUESTION</span><br>
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<p style="background-position:0% 0%;background-repeat:repeat;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,41)">How is the best way to
approach this? <br>
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I suggest you make the time to read the wiki, think about what the
wiki says ... BEFORE you ask the list to take their time to educate
you. <br>
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OSM is not consistent. Different people do things differently. We
don't all have the same house, car and bike. OSM is mapped by
individual people, there will not ever be absolute consistency. Get
used to it.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>+1 Specifically see <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Landuse">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Landuse</a></div></div></div></div>