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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/01/20 13:18, adam steer wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="auto">Hi Andrew
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        <div dir="auto">In Vic these are only used as a last resort. Not
          sure if 'assembly point' translates to 'only come here if
          there are absolutely no other options, and this place might
          not be safe anyway'.</div>
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        <div dir="auto">See: <a
href="https://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/plan-prepare/neighbourhood-safer-places"
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            moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/plan-prepare/neighbourhood-safer-places</a></div>
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        <div dir="auto">There are also community fire refuges: <a
            href="https://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/plan-prepare/community-fire-refuges/"
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        <div dir="auto">...my reading there is also 'try really hard not
          to come here, but if there's nothing else then turn up'.</div>
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    I think generally they want people well away from the fire area,
    rather than close by. Hence the words used.<br>
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        <div dir="auto">Could we add a 'place of last resort' tag?</div>
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    Why? I think the description will tell the story. <br>
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        <div dir="auto">Relief centres, eg: <a
href="https://www.eastgippsland.vic.gov.au/Council/News_and_Media_Releases/Emergency_Relief_Centres"
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            href="https://www.wangaratta.vic.gov.au/emergency/relief-and-recovery"
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        <div dir="auto">...seem to be council operated...</div>
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    I think those are places to go for food, clothing not for shelter
    from the fire. So not the same thing. <br>
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        <div dir="auto">It seems that 'neighbourhood safer places' means
          something different across borders. Can anyone in emergency
          services comment?</div>
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        <div dir="auto">Thanks,</div>
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        <div dir="auto">Adam</div>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 4 Jan 2020, 11:30 am
            Andrew Harvey, <<a href="mailto:andrew.harvey4@gmail.com"
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            <div dir="ltr">I'm not sure what these are called or look
              like in other states, but in NSW they look like <a
                href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/136319147@N08/49324333543/"
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                noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.flickr.com/photos/136319147@N08/49324333543/</a> and
              they are operated by the NSW RFS.
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              <div>emergency=assembly_point seems like the best tag to
                use per the wiki <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dassembly_point"
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                  noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dassembly_point</a> "A
                designated (safe) place where people can gather or must
                report to during an emergency or a fire drill Edit or
                translate this description."</div>
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              <div>Also documented on the wiki is <a
                  href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:assembly_point:fire"
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                seems fitting.</div>
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              <div>I'm proposing these be tagged as</div>
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              <div>emergency=assembly_point</div>
              <div>assembly_point:fire=designated</div>
              <div>operator=NSW Rural Fire Service</div>
              <div>operator:wikidata=Q7011777</div>
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              <div>could also add description="Bush Fire Neighbourhood
                Safer Place" or your state's equivalent.</div>
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              <div>Any comments? If this sounds good, I'll document this
                on the Australian Tagging Guidelines for NSW. </div>
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