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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>sorry, yes – it’s lacram_telenav.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The changeset that caught my eye is 67193952<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I just don’t understand what they’re trying to achieve. There are gazillions of such intersections to be done if they head down this path.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I see that it is a member of a relation called destination_sign (3286190), which has lots of information about the signage on this exit. Do they need to have the motorway_junction tag to record these details about the signage ?? - and why wouldn’t they be using destination= ?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ian<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Andrew Harvey <andrew.harvey4@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 24 February 2020 11:14 AM<br><b>To:</b> Ian Steer <iansteer@iinet.net.au><br><b>Cc:</b> OSM Australian Talk List <talk-au@openstreetmap.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [talk-au] highway=motorway_junction<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I don't really see the point of motorway_junction unless that exit has a name or number (ref), however it's still valid per the wiki as on nodes at which you can exit the highway, I think to avoid putting it on absolutely every intersection we should reserve it's use for highway=motorway or trunk/primary which have grade separated exits.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>So based on what you've said, it does sound okay, but if you could link to a few changesets that would help?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Is that username lacram_telenav instead of lacrom_telenav? Per <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Telenav">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Telenav</a> it looks like they are no longer working for Telenav, so if there is an issue or question we'll need to contact Telenav at <a href="mailto:eu-map-analysts@telenav.com">eu-map-analysts@telenav.com</a> for any questions.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, 24 Feb 2020 at 13:11, Ian Steer <<a href="mailto:iansteer@iinet.net.au">iansteer@iinet.net.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white'>lacrom_telenav has been adding highway=motorway_junction tags on exits from major roads around Perth – I think to designate destination signs. It is associated with “noref=yes”</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white'>The wiki says:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white'>Use the </span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#222222;background:#EEEEFF'><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway" target="_blank" title="Key:highway"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#0B0080'>highway</span></a>=motorway_junction</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white'> tag to identify a point along a </span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#222222;background:#EEEEFF'><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway" target="_blank" title="Key:highway"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#0B0080'>highway</span></a>=*</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white'> with junction refs or names where it is possible to exit the highway onto another road. This is usually found along a </span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#222222;background:#EEEEFF'><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway" target="_blank" title="Key:highway"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#0B0080'>highway</span></a>=<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway" target="_blank" title="Tag:highway=motorway"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#0B0080'>motorway</span></a></span></tt><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white'>, but is also applicable to other roads with numbered or named junctions including some </span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#222222;background:#EEEEFF'><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway" target="_blank" title="Key:highway"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#0B0080'>highway</span></a>=<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrunk" target="_blank" title="Tag:highway=trunk"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#0B0080'>trunk</span></a></span></tt><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white'> and </span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#222222;background:#EEEEFF'><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway" target="_blank" title="Key:highway"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#0B0080'>highway</span></a>=<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dprimary" target="_blank" title="Tag:highway=primary"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#0B0080'>primary</span></a></span></tt><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white'> roads.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white'>The instances I have noticed are not on roads with named or numbered exits, therefore I am thinking this tag is inappropriate. (I noticed it because it shows-up as an “e” on my GPS – which is a rendering issue I know)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white'>The wiki also says:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#222222;background:#EEEEFF'><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name" target="_blank" title="Key:name"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#0B0080'>name</span></a>=*</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white'> for the name of the junction or interchange. <i>Do not confuse the <b>name of a junction</b> with the <b>destination(s) the junction</b> leads to.</i> In most cases worldwide, sign information describes destinations, not the name of the junction or interchange itself. If a signpost or indication displays destinations exclusively, this data belongs to </span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#222222;background:#EEEEFF'><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination" target="_blank" title="Key:destination"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#0B0080'>destination</span></a>=*</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white'> tags, <b>not</b> the </span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#222222;background:#EEEEFF'><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name" target="_blank" title="Key:name"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#0B0080'>name</span></a>=*</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white'> of the </span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#222222;background:#EEEEFF'><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway" target="_blank" title="Key:highway"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#0B0080'>highway</span></a>=motorway_junction</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white'> node.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white'>I tried messaging this user a week-or-so ago and have had no response.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white'>What do people think about this tag? I don’t know what he is trying to achieve.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white'>Ian</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-au mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>