<div dir="ltr">Example of a dedicated bicycle crossing on a motorway entry ramp on the M2 in Sydney <a href="https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/3HCnt9rSnC2Z9OLn0GSslA">https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/3HCnt9rSnC2Z9OLn0GSslA</a> and on the M7 in Sydney <a href="https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/JGrFtWbs5DYbMywYpVetoA">https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/JGrFtWbs5DYbMywYpVetoA</a>.<div><br></div><div>The M7 Shared Path is is a completely different thing, it's a shared path and off road, but as you can see above on the M7 motorway itself there is clearly dedicated bicycle signage and infrastructure.</div><div><br></div><div>Who says it's not recommended to cycle on the motorway? I've never seen a sign to say this. Whether it's common or not is irrelevant we mostly map the infrastructure on the ground not the traffic level of the road. </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 at 19:11, Dongchen Yue <<a href="mailto:yuedongchenyy@gmail.com">yuedongchenyy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">The most noticeable example in Sydney would be the M7 Shared Path (<a href="https://www.westlinkm7.com.au/about/shared-path" target="_blank">https://www.westlinkm7.com.au/about/shared-path</a>), which is a ~40km uninterrupted bi-directional path alongside the M7 Motorway with normally (though obviously not currently) very high usage for recreational cycling. However, although cycling on the motorway shoulders is neither recommended nor common, it’s been mapped on OSM as the cycle route „M7s" (<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-33.83065/150.85767&layers=C" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-33.83065/150.85767&layers=C</a>) along with the „M7 Cycleway“ route.<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>Am 13.04.2020 um 6:52 PM schrieb Ewen Hill <<a href="mailto:ewen.hill@gmail.com" target="_blank">ewen.hill@gmail.com</a>>:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr">Hi Dongchen,<div> Can you provide a couple of examples please so we can review and discuss them. There may be good reasons (the red carpet Gardiners Creek cycle path in Melbourne hangs under the freeway might appear incorrect but is not). </div><div><br></div><div> Ewen</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 at 18:20, Dongchen Yue <<a href="mailto:yuedongchenyy@gmail.com" target="_blank">yuedongchenyy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(26,26,26)"><span style="font-kerning:none">Hi all,</span></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(26,26,26)"><span style="font-kerning:none"><br></span></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(26,26,26)"><span style="font-kerning:none">I’ve noticed many motorway shoulders in Australia (especially in Sydney) being mapped as cycle routes on OSM. Although this seems to be a common approach for motorways/other high-speed roads in Australia of which cycling is allowed on, I can hardly imagine it to be of any practical use (i.e. providing convenient and safe connections for people cycling).</span></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(26,26,26)"><span style="font-kerning:none"><br></span></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(26,26,26)"><span style="font-kerning:none">Foremostly, this mapping approach defies the general purpose of cycle routes (both from an engineering perspective and the official OSM Wiki), that is, guiding people onto safe & convenient ways. Although cycling on most motorway shoulders in Australia is technically permitted and commonly done by the very few “strong and fearless” people (only ~1%, as indicated in past transport research), it’s both subjectively and statically quite unsafe, which gives no use to most people when rendered on tiles such as OpenCycleMap.</span></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(26,26,26)"><span style="font-kerning:none"><br></span></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(26,26,26)"><span style="font-kerning:none">Also, these mapped motorway/high-speed road routes aren’t officially endorsed routes whatsoever, and are always referred to as separate pieces of infrastructure (e.g. “… cycleway”) by cycle-lobbying groups.</span></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(26,26,26)"><span style="font-kerning:none">Afterall, these “routes” probably shouldn’t be mapped at all, since they aren’t much use to most people; tagging them with ‘cycling’: ‘designated’ and ‘cycleway’: ‘shoulder’ would be sufficient enough. What do you think of this solution?</span></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(26,26,26)"><span style="font-kerning:none"><br></span></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(26,26,26)"><span style="font-kerning:none">Thanks in advance,</span></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(26,26,26)"><span style="font-kerning:none">Dongchen Yue</span></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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