<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(26, 26, 26);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">Hi all,</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(26, 26, 26);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(26, 26, 26);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">I’ve noticed many motorway shoulders in Australia (especially in Sydney) being mapped as cycle routes on OSM. Although this seems to be a common approach for motorways/other high-speed roads in Australia of which cycling is allowed on, I can hardly imagine it to be of any practical use (i.e. providing convenient and safe connections for people cycling).</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(26, 26, 26);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(26, 26, 26);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">Foremostly, this mapping approach defies the general purpose of cycle routes (both from an engineering perspective and the official OSM Wiki), that is, guiding people onto safe & convenient ways. Although cycling on most motorway shoulders in Australia is technically permitted and commonly done by the very few “strong and fearless” people (only ~1%, as indicated in past transport research), it’s both subjectively and statically quite unsafe, which gives no use to most people when rendered on tiles such as OpenCycleMap.</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(26, 26, 26);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(26, 26, 26);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">Also, these mapped motorway/high-speed road routes aren’t officially endorsed routes whatsoever, and are always referred to as separate pieces of infrastructure (e.g. “… cycleway”) by cycle-lobbying groups.</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(26, 26, 26);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">Afterall, these “routes” probably shouldn’t be mapped at all, since they aren’t much use to most people; tagging them with ‘cycling’: ‘designated’ and ‘cycleway’: ‘shoulder’ would be sufficient enough. What do you think of this solution?</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(26, 26, 26);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(26, 26, 26);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">Thanks in advance,</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(26, 26, 26);" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">Dongchen Yue</span></div></body></html>