<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 at 08:57, Tom Brennan <<a href="mailto:website@ozultimate.com">website@ozultimate.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Willoughby Council (Sydney, NSW) has recently been refreshing its cycle <br>
route signage, so I've been riding the routes and reviewing tagging in <br>
OSM. Before I go and make a whole lot of changes, I just wanted to <br>
confirm best practice. </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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1. Infrastructure:<br>
Painted road markings (but no cycle lane) and/or street signs indicating <br>
cycle route:<br>
cycleway=shared_lane<br>
eg <br>
<a href="https://ozultimate.com/temp/2020-04-24%2022_01_11-NSW%20Bushwalking%20Maps.png" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ozultimate.com/temp/2020-04-24%2022_01_11-NSW%20Bushwalking%20Maps.png</a><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>cycleway=shared_lane is only if there is a marking on the ground, so if it's a marked route but no bicycle stencil on the ground then it's not cycleway=shared_lane in my view because cycleway is tagging the infrastructure on the ground. </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Painted cycle lane:<br>
cycleway=lane<br>
<a href="https://ozultimate.com/temp/2020-04-24%2022_03_56-NSW%20Bushwalking%20Maps.png" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ozultimate.com/temp/2020-04-24%2022_03_56-NSW%20Bushwalking%20Maps.png</a></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Correct. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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This seems to be my interpretation of:<br>
<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway</a><br>
and<br>
<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines</a><br>
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2. Cycle Routes:<br>
Use of network=lcn vs lcn=yes - I assume network=lcn is preferred to <br>
lcn=yes? Quite a lot of the current routes have lcn=yes.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>network=lcn goes on the relation not on the way. lcn=yes goes on the way, but is redundant if it's already part of a relation. Personally I'd use lcn=yes on a way if I know the segment is part of a route, but don't know or have time to map out the full route relation.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Alternatively, should I be trying to create relations? The problem with <br>
relations is that the cycleways all interconnect. So while there may be <br>
a sensible route from any suburb in Willoughby to any other suburb, but <br>
it doesn't seem to lend itself to a collection of relations. Certainly <br>
the signage at any given spot just points you to the next suburb.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yeah, that's why I don't usually create full route relations unless it's clear what the route is, if there are signs directing cyclists in various directions then it's either a lcn/rcn/ncn=yes on the way or put it in a route relation.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The link below shows the approximate network (not all are yet <br>
built/marked - I'll be updating OSM on the basis of ground surveys)<br>
<a href="http://edocs.willoughby.nsw.gov.au/DocumentViewer.ashx?dsi=2914874" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://edocs.willoughby.nsw.gov.au/DocumentViewer.ashx?dsi=2914874</a><br>
I don't see that it easily lends itself to relations.</blockquote></div></div>