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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I need the assistance of the community here…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I got a feeling in March this year when military and civilian airports are sharing the same strip/area we should keep it as 2 separate polygons. This is why I’m using the same thread
again.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">However, according to
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_by_ICAO_code:_Y">this Wikipedia page</a>, it is said that in AU there are 4 such airports.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/216110357">Darwin International Airport</a> and
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/833764002">RAAF Base Darwin</a> YPDN (DRW)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:17.25pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6263052">Newcastle Airport</a> and
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4145466">RAAF Base Williamtown</a> YWLM (NTL)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:17.25pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/372778463">Townsville Airport</a> YBTL (TSV) - which is tagged as military/civilian<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:17.25pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/187114230">RAAF Base Learmonth</a> YPLM (LEA) - which is tagged as military only<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If we do at this way, no problem, however IATA and ICAO will be duplicated (yes it can be merged into one polygon at the consumer side), however can someone create polygons for other
2 airports to have a consistent data here, or you think it is okay to have tagging as it is in Townsville?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thank you in advance,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Nemanja<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1@gmail.com> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) <v-nebrac@microsoft.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Michael James <michael@techdrive.com.au>; OpenStreetMap <talk-au@openstreetmap.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [talk-au] Duplicate of the same airport<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">No, I would leave it as 2 separate airfields, with the same info against both. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If that causes a problem, then take the codes off the airbase, as strictly speaking, that side of the airfield isn't an air transport destination.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Graeme<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 22:10, Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) via Talk-au <<a href="mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org">talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you all for clarification.<br>
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Thank you James for more local details. <br>
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So by your opinion is it better to have 2 separate airports with duplicated data (such as IATA, ICAO, etc.), or to combine into one polygon.<br>
Taking into consideration Cleary's and Andrew's answer I would leave as is, but since this is isolated case in AU, and some data will be duplicated, I would join two polygons. Don't know what to do.
<span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😊</span><br>
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Thank you in advance for the response.<br>
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Nemanja<br>
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-----Originalna poruka-----<br>
Od: Michael James <<a href="mailto:michael@techdrive.com.au" target="_blank">michael@techdrive.com.au</a>>
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Poslato: sreda, 25. mart 2020. 12:21<br>
Za: OpenStreetMap <<a href="mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
Tema: [EXTERNAL] Re: [talk-au] Duplicate of the same airport<br>
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It is a military base that allows civilian air traffic to use its runway.<br>
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As far as air traffic goes it's called Williamtown, only the civilian terminal area is called Newcastle airport. (28 hectares of land)<br>
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<a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newcastleairport.com.au%2Fcorporate%2Fabout%2Fboard-governance&data=02%7C01%7Cv-nebrac%40microsoft.com%7C15c4ae38b7c74ed3bc8608d7d107663f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637207702025849697&sdata=W5erkIhOTLoORjk8aILFjO69mjMqib6p1S2FkrKy7C4%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://www.newcastleairport.com.au/corporate/about/board-governance</a><br>
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Hope that helps, though no map of that land parcel that they lease for the civilian side.<br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: cleary <<a href="mailto:osm@97k.com" target="_blank">osm@97k.com</a>><br>
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 March 2020 6:29 PM<br>
> To: OpenStreetMap <<a href="mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Duplicate of the same airport<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I think the air force base and civilian airport share the same runway <br>
> but they are two distinct entities with separate buildings etc. Same <br>
> applies in some other cities including Canberra. I would defer to <br>
> someone more knowledgeable but I think it remains appropriate to have two separate entities mapped in OSM.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Wed, 25 Mar 2020, at 7:06 PM, Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) via Talk-au<br>
> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Hi,<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > There are two relations in OSM that are referring to the same airport:<br>
> ><br>
> > * <a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Frelation%2F6263052&data=02%7C01%7Cv-nebrac%40microsoft.com%7C15c4ae38b7c74ed3bc8608d7d107663f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637207702025849697&sdata=3mc2D3APB2oxY1iah%2BWiDMZqgj2DxBZhqckvabE989c%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6263052</a><br>
> > * <a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Frelation%2F4145466&data=02%7C01%7Cv-nebrac%40microsoft.com%7C15c4ae38b7c74ed3bc8608d7d107663f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637207702025859694&sdata=yb7iHhzizZrsloMTgdj%2B4BSg47nWHjV%2FwZePSBNj3cw%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4145466</a><br>
> > <br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > The first one has a *aeroway:aerodrome* tag, the second one has a<br>
> > *military:airfield* tag.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > I’m not sure should I merge these two relations since there are some <br>
> > sporadic differences for the same tag in both relations. Please, I <br>
> > need an extra hand on this.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > This is an isolated case in whole Australia.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Thank you in advance,<br>
> ><br>
> > Nemanja<br>
> ><br>
> > _______________________________________________<br>
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