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Thanks for the suggestion what can be our next step, also thanks for the recommendation about "not naming individuals, unless it isn't an obvious vandalism". I'll keep that in mind.<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 26, 2020 10:18:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) <v-nebrac@microsoft.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> OpenStreetMap <talk-au@openstreetmap.org><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Nemanja,
<div> Hi, have those you mentioned responded and how did you contact them? Was it via changeset comments or via an OSM message? </div>
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<div> It's probably best you contact <span style="font-family:sans-serif; font-size:14px"><span class="x_gmail-nowrap" style=""><b>data</b><span style="border-style:initial; border-color:initial"><b><img alt=", “ат”" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/At_sign.svg/14px-At_sign.svg.png" title=", “ат”" width="14" height="14" style="border:0px; vertical-align:middle"></b></span><b>openstreetmap</b><span style="border-style:initial; border-color:initial"><b><img alt="“ԁοт”" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Dot.svg/4px-Dot.svg.png" title="“ԁοт”" width="4" height="14" style="border:0px; vertical-align:middle"></b></span><b>org
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and explain the situation and this group may place a temporary block on them until they have read a message from them..</div>
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<div> I am not a huge fan of naming individuals here unless it is blatant and obvious vandalism</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 at 07:32, Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) via Talk-au <<a href="mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p style="margin:0cm">Hi everyone,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm">My team has recognized that there are a couple of users who are repeatedly making questionable modeling choices.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin:0cm">We’ve contacted them, and while some specific issues were fixed, new ones kept appearing. We wanted to reach out and to hear your opinions on this matter.
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<p style="margin:0cm"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p style="margin:0cm">User <u><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Fuser%2FSupt_of_Printing&data=04%7C01%7Cv-nebrac%40microsoft.com%7C1113a9ad2c354efe656508d879f4bb47%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637393439305503557%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2F%2FVWOD8ow4e65SkkD%2FeJiVUk2QgI8%2FwyGaoMdQnjkXk%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Supt_of_Printing" shash="U/IB1t04u5m9CCdXDIRRUUpec8D65k9mEFxVzNbkSsYjvCGWgsTP4LezaVYEmSQtkILPgavMVRZbE/cnCNlmvzC8SmOJpgB/kh78pllzJHYID/PzskL/OqF4GAtm03SNee5QAJRL0gdNkLXPifSpRFUVy1gX1/satyI2NAd6txw=" title="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/supt_of_printing" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(104,136,201)">Supt_of_Printing</span></a></u><span style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm">This user is not using existing ways but he adds a new way on top of the existing one, making a lot of duplicates. The example can be:<span style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><u><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Fway%2F819833424&data=04%7C01%7Cv-nebrac%40microsoft.com%7C1113a9ad2c354efe656508d879f4bb47%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637393439305513558%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=o67cCEBJw190k4804926kLVYkJ0S8F7AW45waWe8Wdg%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/819833424" shash="pBWvzbqHx8q5g5+bnUXS/uNvzsjGa2WxXw9VRO2s/Ef9wZ2Z2+IteyOLorZkXFEfChreP1bD4OfXF+5+cSf4R1xi/73RRTvWxMBOS6bNs7+4b22ymHO2aETzKdF9Tm+FVzioDysi56P2unw6LAvkqcxMjH6B+POIl1Sk3EzFyvU=" title="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/819833424" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(104,136,201)">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/819833424</span></a></u><span style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm">There is a way that is classified as track, but just over the existing one he added a new unclassified road.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><u><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Fway%2F746933130&data=04%7C01%7Cv-nebrac%40microsoft.com%7C1113a9ad2c354efe656508d879f4bb47%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637393439305513558%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=QqSEy42JT%2BFqZ6TUCNLlgcO5gvbcO%2BhSuRdhHIOQM3Y%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/746933130" shash="eLvA6LNMcvMEbIZShZpd16xf0D2oMeKzMczaiCvefDwD23tNRy/1/YwaJO2IhokshYExvj1mivfSat+3mjq/6/7i9cL0uJuUC15HiIv5q71oL7wNMt8AQHzw+vqR8OUxWV4PWmDVrtDyMbSro/unD4ZIp93IyKE+bVdQrPtRflY=" title="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/746933130" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(104,136,201)">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/746933130</span></a></u><span style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm">The other type of issue that we recognized is roundabout modeling.<span style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm">You can see in the provided example that way goes as a part of the roundabout. Also, it is noticeable that half of the roundabout has a [oneway] tag, but the other doesn’t.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm">Users <u><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Fuser%2FMap_baker&data=04%7C01%7Cv-nebrac%40microsoft.com%7C1113a9ad2c354efe656508d879f4bb47%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637393439305523556%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=iU%2BsdM10f%2BMJtX0ml%2B%2FzOzfHyax4P6MqibBSTnEiflc%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Map_baker" shash="hTHr+9JlcNaH0TqVR/gfv7pOFz2ERwfjfjrVfvG0FwihfWwz8UMIKbXWuDpbjDGZG0A6OewUJOppy7O3RY3drcHzmzTR1IqOs7j8aO7KVcH+N82UJzylL9BjTlOhd+3pBGcaEPwsdXINhRO9fXi+sBQ1G8Zcow9+sIdfwIjDmJ0=" title="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/map_baker" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(104,136,201)">Map_baker</span></a></u>
and <u><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Fuser%2FSupt_of_Printing&data=04%7C01%7Cv-nebrac%40microsoft.com%7C1113a9ad2c354efe656508d879f4bb47%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637393439305523556%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=o%2FSimP0v0fZhw5%2BQEgR4DHIfHoL%2FPpPtSClF5ZTKeH8%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Supt_of_Printing" shash="b1mF7mTF43T9vSWGMKudb3IbcAzj54ZcifgcRrv9VCssm/zlB7QK08P4SJq/EjCINjxwm3VLHrtFzVg2GFz8pDxAQrP+zntihmZXRgMTgQkZgRrZ/rGmKqlhKzJt5BoHamfM1fcBrRac6HzhIkVLCqOAZ8Z8do/cEATR25fZSnc=" title="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/supt_of_printing" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(104,136,201)">Supt_of_Printing</span></a></u><span style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm">They have remodeled a couple of junctions so each lane is one way, like here:<span style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><u><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Fway%2F746563860%2Fhistory&data=04%7C01%7Cv-nebrac%40microsoft.com%7C1113a9ad2c354efe656508d879f4bb47%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637393439305533543%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=nA4HN7y5DOjlm%2FcQEQ5CtjhQtOX6wISJMrXN%2FRtm9Gw%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/746563860/history" shash="NIHrdfj/B++lGUn398usdMVPAWIDXGf/5ZwJlI1jenazj+2E30XDX/1EvSP+KsuUKLt/im0LUb/uYvPAdoExR5u89iTGNYS9Jmdg1XMjj2Pk/5FVEEGyR4dKlUXSLbFQ/oRdSUyL0vQVn/Lmg2pPu+6H7pEkbatEXwp1xyHAcDg=" title="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/746563860/history" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(104,136,201)">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/746563860/history</span></a><u></u><u></u></u></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm">What’s happening with this remodeling:<span style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<li class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Destination relations are broken; </span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Bus routes are not connected properly;
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">For navigation purposes additional turn restrictions would be needed to avoid unpleasant turn suggestions;</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:8pt">
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">In some cases, roads cross each other without an intersection point;
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">It is impossible to apply correct lane information.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></li></ul>
<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm">Another example of remodeling:<span style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><u><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Fway%2F789300431&data=04%7C01%7Cv-nebrac%40microsoft.com%7C1113a9ad2c354efe656508d879f4bb47%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637393439305533543%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=nC%2Fizfu7RqfHSguxq%2FMIhxJMNJhw%2BdShbJbjpRACIBQ%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/789300431" shash="Ync+3rIFpruOrti5yI4+Fq8fW2QAYB+CfchlqmuYEOg6vuAyN82f177ZGcT4hlly/kvUEs/HgWSYQFRJogpBQXevWGixh93gj3ya5uX3j0impTENslnHQM2JSsNZ8W3ZnYbGwXO1LyN0LPPUWfWJjpzamoDR3UmXA9JlQOJI5js=" title="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/789300431" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(104,136,201)">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/789300431</span></a></u><span style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm">There are no physical barriers, so it should be modeled as a single way, but the actual osm data is currently divided based on lane information.<br>
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Although we recognize that there are different approaches to modeling junctions, these users are creating a lot of issues by remodeling in this way.<span style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm">Please can you advise what to do now since I believe that all osm users need to spend a significant amount of time checking all their previous edits?<br>
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<p style="margin:0cm">Users <u><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Fuser%2FMap_baker&data=04%7C01%7Cv-nebrac%40microsoft.com%7C1113a9ad2c354efe656508d879f4bb47%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637393439305543537%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=UZ5xsT4Ory3Ud%2Fd9%2B9O7QLJbbOLicmbfjd4trTwul9U%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Map_baker" shash="NdxW8FU1jaNnwuIo4v3B4se16HEa+0umcxZiCFI3eH6mm9SelhXOi3p15wllUL04OPLNihWUzw419+deogmg9a1K7+HD9LkeUxuVxIemco0x2WrcDBa7+xGbE03Fw/Zf05q8L8+4QNG6RqMgfMeYbcwh1rl+Fim8b9Ros3KIQnk=" title="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/map_baker" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(104,136,201)">Map_baker</span></a></u>
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<p style="margin:0cm">They are going across Australia and converting multiple way roundabouts into one. We had a discussion on Talk-AU about that, where I have tried to explain why it is not okay to do (since attributes may change within the roundabout), but
I can see that practice has continued.<span style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Thanks,<br>
Nemanja<u></u><u></u></p>
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